eCharcha.Com   Support eCharcha.Com. Click on sponsor ad to shop online!

Advertise Here

Go Back   eCharcha.Com > Science and Technology > Technology

Notices

Technology Discuss all things technology that dont fit in the Computing forum...

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old September 19th, 2008, 10:01 AM
echarcha's Avatar
echarcha echarcha is offline
Sutradhar {admin}
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: CA, USA
Posts: 45,375
echarcha has a reputation beyond reputeecharcha has a reputation beyond reputeecharcha has a reputation beyond reputeecharcha has a reputation beyond reputeecharcha has a reputation beyond reputeecharcha has a reputation beyond reputeecharcha has a reputation beyond reputeecharcha has a reputation beyond reputeecharcha has a reputation beyond reputeecharcha has a reputation beyond reputeecharcha has a reputation beyond repute
Post India is over-hyped as an innovation hub

India is over-hyped as an innovation hub

Date: Thursday, September 18, 2008

Bangalore: India is perhaps holding a better position among major IT exporting nations presently, but as far as the innovation of new products is concerned the country is far behind the other largest IT destinations, reports IDG news service.

Sudin Apte, an analyst at Forrester Research, and Vinay Deshpande, a computer developer, said that subsidiaries of most of MNCs do product maintenance and testing and the development of small components of products in India.

"We do not think out new products or architect products in India, we get to do the coding for new products, and are mainly involved in maintenance or making improvements to legacy products," says a software engineer at a multinational vendor of banking software in Bangalore.

Deshpande said, "The situation is a lot better than it was some years ago, but most Indian operations of multinational companies are still far away from defining and architecting products. A lot of the product innovation in the country is coming from small and medium-size Indian companies."

An executive of the Indian subsidiary of a technology company opined that multinational technology companies typically claim in their advertisements and press announcements that they are doing innovative product development in India. That image helps companies attract employees.

For multinational companies, lower cost of staff and the availability of talent are the advantages in establishing offshore development operations in India. "But innovation, which is thinking out a product or having ownership of a product, does not happen at the Indian subsidiaries," said Apte.

"When technology companies have outsourced to Indian companies, they have usually contracted for staff on a time and materials basis, which reflects the kind of work that is getting done in India," he added.
Contradictorily, some of global companies such as Intel and Texas Instruments have started to develop new products in India. For instance, Intel designed the first six core microprocessor at Intel's Bangalore center.
Deshpande further added "Having tried Indian staff on support work with good results, some of the companies are taking the risk of doing product development as well in India."

"Companies having development centers in India will benefit if they start focusing on product innovation. Indian outsourcers will also have to focus more on their capability to deliver product innovation, rather than promote their companies as mere low-cost service providers," Apte concluded.

Link
__________________
eCharcha.com
-Loud and Proud Desi Opinions
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old September 19th, 2008, 10:23 AM
echarcha's Avatar
echarcha echarcha is offline
Sutradhar {admin}
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: CA, USA
Posts: 45,375
echarcha has a reputation beyond reputeecharcha has a reputation beyond reputeecharcha has a reputation beyond reputeecharcha has a reputation beyond reputeecharcha has a reputation beyond reputeecharcha has a reputation beyond reputeecharcha has a reputation beyond reputeecharcha has a reputation beyond reputeecharcha has a reputation beyond reputeecharcha has a reputation beyond reputeecharcha has a reputation beyond repute
Cool Re: India is over-hyped as an innovation hub

Our IT companies like HCL, Wipro, TCS, InfoSys have focussed and mastered the 'services' model. I find nothing wrong with it, but I do have some other thoughts on this.

Its not wrong to capitalise on the vast services opportunities and make a mark in the global market. However, our services only companies forget that creating products is a equally important area if growth is to be sustained.

I always wonder at small startups in the Silicon Valley who come up with some product, some innovative new service and then make it big. Some of them succeed and many others continue a modest growth path. Why cant our IT service companies invest a small portion of their vast revenues and profits towards such attempts at innovation?

Long ago, and I mean in internet years it was just about a decade ago, the legitimate excuse was that India did not have Venture Capitalists (VCs) and up and coming companies could not diversify into product development. But today, after a decade, I think all our giants TCS, InfoSys, HCL, Satyam have enough money to invest in product development. Not just that, but with their reach into global markets and big international players, they also have a marketing and sales leverage.

Then why dont we see another product like Oracle or MS Office or WebLogic emerging from India? Why dont we see great tools from India which go hand in hand with established products like SAP and Oracle and WebLogic or such?

Is it in our attitude or business upbringing to just be happy with services and not take any risks?
__________________
eCharcha.com
-Loud and Proud Desi Opinions
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old September 19th, 2008, 10:26 AM
smellyfinger's Avatar
smellyfinger smellyfinger is offline
Senior eCharchan
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Home
Posts: 8,851
smellyfinger has a reputation beyond reputesmellyfinger has a reputation beyond reputesmellyfinger has a reputation beyond reputesmellyfinger has a reputation beyond reputesmellyfinger has a reputation beyond reputesmellyfinger has a reputation beyond reputesmellyfinger has a reputation beyond reputesmellyfinger has a reputation beyond reputesmellyfinger has a reputation beyond reputesmellyfinger has a reputation beyond reputesmellyfinger has a reputation beyond repute
Re: India is over-hyped as an innovation hub

Cha pai ... the maid service I hire, cleans the house great. They vacuum every inch of carpet, clean every speck of dust and do all this at a phenomenally low rate. However, I dont expect them to invent the next great vacuum cleaner. Or creat the next great furniture polish.

Why is everyone suddenly so concerned about innovation in India?
__________________
Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old September 19th, 2008, 10:28 AM
AmthaLal's Avatar
AmthaLal AmthaLal is offline
Chaiman Of the Board.
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: .
Posts: 10,666
AmthaLal has a reputation beyond reputeAmthaLal has a reputation beyond reputeAmthaLal has a reputation beyond reputeAmthaLal has a reputation beyond reputeAmthaLal has a reputation beyond reputeAmthaLal has a reputation beyond reputeAmthaLal has a reputation beyond reputeAmthaLal has a reputation beyond reputeAmthaLal has a reputation beyond reputeAmthaLal has a reputation beyond reputeAmthaLal has a reputation beyond repute
Re: India is over-hyped as an innovation hub

Quote:
Originally Posted by smellyfinger View Post
Cha pai ... the maid service I hire, cleans the house great. They vacuum every inch of carpet, clean every speck of dust and do all this at a phenomenally low rate. However, I dont expect them to invent the next great vacuum cleaner. Or creat the next great furniture polish.

Why is everyone suddenly so concerned about innovation in India?


Mellybhai,

Can you please specify who are these "everyone"?
__________________
RIP Swami. You will be missed.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old September 19th, 2008, 10:30 AM
Desa Desa is offline
Senior eCharchan
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 578
Desa has a reputation beyond reputeDesa has a reputation beyond reputeDesa has a reputation beyond reputeDesa has a reputation beyond reputeDesa has a reputation beyond reputeDesa has a reputation beyond reputeDesa has a reputation beyond reputeDesa has a reputation beyond reputeDesa has a reputation beyond reputeDesa has a reputation beyond reputeDesa has a reputation beyond repute
Re: India is over-hyped as an innovation hub

Quote:
Originally Posted by smellyfinger View Post
Cha pai ... the maid service I hire, cleans the house great. They vacuum every inch of carpet, clean every speck of dust and do all this at a phenomenally low rate. However, I dont expect them to invent the next great vacuum cleaner. Or creat the next great furniture polish.

Why is everyone suddenly so concerned about innovation in India?
Of course you wouldn't care if maid invents the vacuum cleaner or not. But if the maid wants to progress then she must do all to better herself. Otherwise she would be dependant on you all her life. If you are facing hard time financially, then your maid should be worried about her job as well.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old September 19th, 2008, 10:39 AM
smellyfinger's Avatar
smellyfinger smellyfinger is offline
Senior eCharchan
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Home
Posts: 8,851
smellyfinger has a reputation beyond reputesmellyfinger has a reputation beyond reputesmellyfinger has a reputation beyond reputesmellyfinger has a reputation beyond reputesmellyfinger has a reputation beyond reputesmellyfinger has a reputation beyond reputesmellyfinger has a reputation beyond reputesmellyfinger has a reputation beyond reputesmellyfinger has a reputation beyond reputesmellyfinger has a reputation beyond reputesmellyfinger has a reputation beyond repute
Re: India is over-hyped as an innovation hub

Quote:
Originally Posted by Desa View Post
Of course you wouldn't care if maid invents the vacuum cleaner or not. But if the maid wants to progress then she must do all to better herself. Otherwise she would be dependant on you all her life. If you are facing hard time financially, then your maid should be worried about her job as well.
No - the maid needs to make sure she develops her cleaning skills so efficiently that I wont want to hire anyone else. And I will talk great about her to all my friends and neighbors so she can grow her business.

Listen bro, I understand what you are trying to say. Right now India's strength is being a service industry. Lets not get ahead of ourselves. First establish the service dominance. There are a million third world countries that would sove to even be a service provider. What makes India any better qualified than anyone else to be an innovation center? What makes my maid any better qualified at inventing a vacuum cleaner than my neighbors maid?
__________________
Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old September 19th, 2008, 11:25 AM
echarcha's Avatar
echarcha echarcha is offline
Sutradhar {admin}
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: CA, USA
Posts: 45,375
echarcha has a reputation beyond reputeecharcha has a reputation beyond reputeecharcha has a reputation beyond reputeecharcha has a reputation beyond reputeecharcha has a reputation beyond reputeecharcha has a reputation beyond reputeecharcha has a reputation beyond reputeecharcha has a reputation beyond reputeecharcha has a reputation beyond reputeecharcha has a reputation beyond reputeecharcha has a reputation beyond repute
Re: India is over-hyped as an innovation hub

smelly your example is quite simplistic.

In the IT industry, I am quite sure that there are hundred of small and big tools which help you do more with an established product. For example, you can write reports using the built in Oracle features, but still people use products like Crystal Reports for their reporting needs.

For every established product there are many ancilliary products and services. We have shown our expertise and dominance in the service sector, and all I am expecting us to do is to now make some products and services which help the customer to do more with an established product. I am not saying that we need to invent the next Oracle database, but can we make a complimentary product which makes Oracle do much more? Small steps is all it takes for starting on the path to innovation.

If we dont distinguish ourselves as someone who can not only provide services but innovative solutions then pretty soon the rest of the eastern world, which is vying for those service contracts, will catch up with our services industry and we will be left to just compete on a cost basis.

And I am not asking the Indian IT giants to spend a large percentage of their earnings on product development. Even if 5% is spent on new product development, then I think it will be a good start and will surely yield success.
__________________
eCharcha.com
-Loud and Proud Desi Opinions
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old September 19th, 2008, 11:33 AM
smellyfinger's Avatar
smellyfinger smellyfinger is offline
Senior eCharchan
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Home
Posts: 8,851
smellyfinger has a reputation beyond reputesmellyfinger has a reputation beyond reputesmellyfinger has a reputation beyond reputesmellyfinger has a reputation beyond reputesmellyfinger has a reputation beyond reputesmellyfinger has a reputation beyond reputesmellyfinger has a reputation beyond reputesmellyfinger has a reputation beyond reputesmellyfinger has a reputation beyond reputesmellyfinger has a reputation beyond reputesmellyfinger has a reputation beyond repute
Re: India is over-hyped as an innovation hub

Quote:
Originally Posted by echarcha View Post
smelly your example is quite simplistic.

In the IT industry, I am quite sure that there are hundred of small and big tools which help you do more with an established product. For example, you can write reports using the built in Oracle features, but still people use products like Crystal Reports for their reporting needs.

For every established product there are many ancilliary products and services. We have shown our expertise and dominance in the service sector, and all I am expecting us to do is to now make some products and services which help the customer to do more with an established product. I am not saying that we need to invent the next Oracle database, but can we make a complimentary product which makes Oracle do much more? Small steps is all it takes for starting on the path to innovation.

If we dont distinguish ourselves as someone who can not only provide services but innovative solutions then pretty soon the rest of the eastern world, which is vying for those service contracts, will catch up with our services industry and we will be left to just compete on a cost basis.

And I am not asking the Indian IT giants to spend a large percentage of their earnings on product development. Even if 5% is spent on new product development, then I think it will be a good start and will surely yield success.

My analogy still holds. As long as the maid mentality remains, nothing will happen. The maid knows that by creating a convenience tool, that will cut down the time she can bill me for cleaning. So even if she could, she wouldnt.

I guess I am looking at it from the customer's standpoint - you are looking at it from the maid's. So my question remains, what makes the Indian IT industry any more capable than the Irish, Russian, Ukrainian, Hungarian or any other -ian IT industry. India's core strength is cheap labor. Lets not get ahead of ourselves. Else we will lose that also. If we start to become innovators and our customers start losing business to us, they will take their needs elsewhere.

The next step is not jump to innovation, but to create a domestic market. IT as a business function is largely missing from the Indian business scenario. We clean others houses - but there is not market to clean our own houses.
__________________
Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old September 19th, 2008, 01:42 PM
echarcha's Avatar
echarcha echarcha is offline
Sutradhar {admin}
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: CA, USA
Posts: 45,375
echarcha has a reputation beyond reputeecharcha has a reputation beyond reputeecharcha has a reputation beyond reputeecharcha has a reputation beyond reputeecharcha has a reputation beyond reputeecharcha has a reputation beyond reputeecharcha has a reputation beyond reputeecharcha has a reputation beyond reputeecharcha has a reputation beyond reputeecharcha has a reputation beyond reputeecharcha has a reputation beyond repute
Re: India is over-hyped as an innovation hub

Quote:
Originally Posted by smellyfinger View Post
My analogy still holds. As long as the maid mentality remains, nothing will happen. The maid knows that by creating a convenience tool, that will cut down the time she can bill me for cleaning. So even if she could, she wouldnt.

I guess I am looking at it from the customer's standpoint - you are looking at it from the maid's. So my question remains, what makes the Indian IT industry any more capable than the Irish, Russian, Ukrainian, Hungarian or any other -ian IT industry. India's core strength is cheap labor. Lets not get ahead of ourselves. Else we will lose that also. If we start to become innovators and our customers start losing business to us, they will take their needs elsewhere.

The next step is not jump to innovation, but to create a domestic market. IT as a business function is largely missing from the Indian business scenario. We clean others houses - but there is not market to clean our own houses.

Our government can be the biggest IT customer, but since our government departments and politicians dont like 'transparency' and 'accountability' I wonder if we will ever adopt full blown IT in our governance. If you computerise, say, the driving license process and maybe it has been already, there exists a chance for integrating it with law enforcement. So that when driving fines are handed out - which never really happens - the offender can be tracked down and fines can be collected. But this will not happen. Private sector in India, other than the IT sector itself, is using more and more of IT, but the market is limited as there is afear that 'over computerisation' will mean job losses.

Anyway, I agree with a lot of what you say, but we surely need to also develop products. If we dont develop products then we should atleast invest in research and development for tomorrow's technologies. NASA does so much research which is not product oriented, but when NASA releases this research into the open, many private companies do utilise it to make products.

Chalo its a Friday, I wont tax my brains or worry too much about this. I just remembered that tomorrow is the weekend when I become the maid and clean my own commode at home
__________________
eCharcha.com
-Loud and Proud Desi Opinions
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old September 19th, 2008, 02:03 PM
ShivSainik's Avatar
ShivSainik ShivSainik is offline
Senior eCharchan
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: San Jose, CA
Posts: 5,253
ShivSainik has a reputation beyond reputeShivSainik has a reputation beyond reputeShivSainik has a reputation beyond reputeShivSainik has a reputation beyond reputeShivSainik has a reputation beyond reputeShivSainik has a reputation beyond reputeShivSainik has a reputation beyond reputeShivSainik has a reputation beyond reputeShivSainik has a reputation beyond reputeShivSainik has a reputation beyond reputeShivSainik has a reputation beyond repute
Re: India is over-hyped as an innovation hub

Quote:
Originally Posted by smellyfinger View Post
My analogy still holds. As long as the maid mentality remains, nothing will happen. The maid knows that by creating a convenience tool, that will cut down the time she can bill me for cleaning. So even if she could, she wouldnt.

I guess I am looking at it from the customer's standpoint - you are looking at it from the maid's. So my question remains, what makes the Indian IT industry any more capable than the Irish, Russian, Ukrainian, Hungarian or any other -ian IT industry. India's core strength is cheap labor. Lets not get ahead of ourselves. Else we will lose that also. If we start to become innovators and our customers start losing business to us, they will take their needs elsewhere.

The next step is not jump to innovation, but to create a domestic market. IT as a business function is largely missing from the Indian business scenario. We clean others houses - but there is not market to clean our own houses.
Well said....

We can not innovate until we stop thinking as providers to US or Europe. We still have that maid mentality of working for others be it co. like Infosys who take projects or offshore location co.s like Cisco. Our country is big enough to have our own market and when we think in that direction people can innovate so much be it IT or any technology since lot of our systems/ infrstructure / tenchnology is so outdated.
__________________
"Once you start thinking too much about your place in history, you're at a point where you're no longer trying as hard as you should be"
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old September 29th, 2008, 01:48 AM
barbaad admi2 barbaad admi2 is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 76
barbaad admi2 can only hope to improve
Re: India is over-hyped as an innovation hub

Quote:
Originally Posted by ShivSainik View Post
Well said....

We can not innovate until we stop thinking as providers to US or Europe. We still have that maid mentality of working for others be it co. like Infosys who take projects or offshore location co.s like Cisco. Our country is big enough to have our own market and when we think in that direction people can innovate so much be it IT or any technology since lot of our systems/ infrstructure / tenchnology is so outdated.
Nope. The reason is most Indians lack the talent to innovate. Live with it.

Tamilians and Kashmiris are two of the exceptions. I mentioned Kashmiris because I read somewhere that unlike the hyped IIT graduates one Kashmiri veterinarian named Mir achieved something (something in mathematics) and Kashmiris haven't got too many opportunities due to terrorism problems.

What is required is evolution of Indian race or drastically fast mutation.

Last edited by barbaad admi2; September 29th, 2008 at 01:56 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old September 29th, 2008, 02:38 AM
Indian's Avatar
Indian Indian is offline
Indian eCharchan
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: HELLabad
Posts: 3,346
Indian has a reputation beyond reputeIndian has a reputation beyond reputeIndian has a reputation beyond reputeIndian has a reputation beyond reputeIndian has a reputation beyond reputeIndian has a reputation beyond reputeIndian has a reputation beyond reputeIndian has a reputation beyond reputeIndian has a reputation beyond reputeIndian has a reputation beyond reputeIndian has a reputation beyond repute
Re: India is over-hyped as an innovation hub

The thought process has begun.
I guess, it will take atleast a decade to see some result.
maids keep loosing their jobs whenever the boss sneezes. Sometimes boss likes to screw maid , whenever he is drunk or his wife is out.
Certainly , time to think ! Maid has to do something.
Time to be independent and add some more dignity to her life.
__________________
born LLKC !

not ashamed to be IDLE !
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old September 29th, 2008, 03:07 AM
Ravi's Avatar
Ravi Ravi is offline
Senior eCharchan
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Liberal Oasis
Posts: 2,518
Ravi has a reputation beyond reputeRavi has a reputation beyond reputeRavi has a reputation beyond reputeRavi has a reputation beyond reputeRavi has a reputation beyond reputeRavi has a reputation beyond reputeRavi has a reputation beyond reputeRavi has a reputation beyond reputeRavi has a reputation beyond reputeRavi has a reputation beyond reputeRavi has a reputation beyond repute
Re: India is over-hyped as an innovation hub

Just curious: When was India an innovation hub? And in what respect?
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
bpo, high tech, innovation, offshoring, outsourcing, services


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
India coach Gary Kirsten urges team India to have sex for better perfomance ashdoc Sports 4 September 24th, 2009 02:58 AM
One more Google innovation - Google SketchUp echarcha Computing 2 April 28th, 2006 03:55 AM
Born in India, raised in India, educated in India ... We're not Indians! tantric_yogi Cultural Exchange 10 May 17th, 2005 11:54 PM
Interesting article in NYTimes on Bangalore/India/innovation etc... shahenshah Life Abroad 0 March 8th, 2004 07:07 AM
Triumph of Innovation: Carbonated Fruit khopdi Recipe Corner 0 July 3rd, 2001 02:09 PM


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 06:20 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Site Copyright © eCharcha.Com 2000-2012.