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Old October 19th, 2016, 11:16 AM
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India's nuclear ballistic missile submarine commissioned ; also India to get one more nuclear attack submarine from Russia

The nuclear submarine to be leased from russia is an attack sub--means it has missiles and torpedoes to attack other ships like surface warships or other submarines . but it has no nuclear weapons . The indigenous submarine INS arihant on the other hand is a ballistic missile submarine with missiles tipped with nuclear weapons to be launched against our enemies for nuclear strike .

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India is finally close to operationalising its long-awaited nuclear weapons triad — the capability to launch nukes from land, air and sea.
Although the land-based Agni ballistic missiles+ as well as fighter bombers configured to deliver nuclear weapons have been available for a while, the triad's missing — and most potent — sea leg has been a big operational gap till now.

Sources said on Monday that the country's first indigenously-constructed nuclear submarine INS Arihant+ (which means annihilator of enemies), propelled by an 83 MW pressurised light-water reactor at its core, was commissioned into service in August after extensive sea trials+ since December 2014.

INS Arihant's 750km and 3,500km missiles may be somewhat dwarfed by SLBMs (submarine-launched ballistic missiles) with ranges of well over 5,000km with the US, Russia and China, but the completion of the nuclear-triad is critical for a country like India, which has a clearly declared policy of "no first-use" of nuclear weapons. It makes its second-strike capability much more credible. A pre-emptive enemy strike can conceivably take out a rival's nuclear missiles and fighter bombers. That is why an SSBN, capable of lurking underwater for months without being detected, is considered the most effective and deadly platform for a retaliatory nuclear strike.

The 6,000-tonne Arihant is, however, "not yet fully ready" to be deployed for "deterrent patrols" with nuclear-tipped ballistic missiles in its four silos, said the sources. Both the defence ministry as well as the Navy refused to say anything on the matter, holding that it was "a strategic project" directly controlled by the PMO.
INS Arihant has undergone a whole host of surface and "dived" sorties during its trials to prove its sea-worthiness. But the full weapons integration with the "K" (named after former president APJ Abdul Kalam) series of SLBMs will take some more time. While the K-15 SLBM has a 750-km range, the K-4 can go up to 3,500-km.

INS Arihant is the first of three such SSBNs (nuclear-powered submarines with long-range nuclear ballistic missiles) being constructed under the secretive ATV (advanced technology vessel) programme launched decades ago. The construction of the second one, INS Aridhaman, is also almost complete now, with its delivery slated for 2018.
Apart from both Pakistan and China having largely ambiguous nuclear weapons policies, the growing presence of Chinese nuclear submarines in the Indian Ocean region has become a major source of concern for the Indian security establishment over the last couple of years.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/i...w/54907081.cms

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After protracted negotiations, Russia has agreed to lease a second nuclear submarine to India+ in a deal which will cost around $2 billion.
Sources on Wednesday said the deal was struck during the meeting between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Russian President Vladimir Putin+ on October 15 on the sidelines of the BRICS meet in Goa.

However, it was not part of the slew of announcements made after the talks.
The Defence Ministry and the Navy did not offer any information on the subject since it was a strategic platform coming under direct purview of the Prime Minister's Office.

Alexei Nikolski, a columnist with Russian daily Vedomosti, which broke the story, wrote, "According to a source in the Russian defence industry, the long-discussed lease to transfer a multipurpose Project 971 nuclear submarine to India from the Russian Navy was signed in Goa."

The Akula 2 class submarine is expected to arrive in Indian waters in 2020-21.
The Indian Navy already operates an Akula 2 class nuclear submarine, INS Chakra (formerly known as K-152 Nerpa)+ , which was leased by Russia for 10 years and commissioned on April 4, 2012 after India paid for its completion of its construction and sea-trials.
India had been keen to lease a second nuclear submarine.


Indian defence sources had said that Russia had linked the lease of the nuclear submarine to the agreement for four stealth frigates+ .
In Goa, India and Russia announced an over USD 3 billion frigate deal. Under the agreement, two stealth frigates will be built in Russia while the other two would be built in India under license production.


The Akula 2 class submarine, though not the latest class of nuclear-powered fast-attack submarines in the world, is still considered one of the most advanced.
Capable of sailing at speeds up to 35 knots (nearly 65 km per hour) under water, it is among the quietest Russian submarines.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/i...w/54940621.cms
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Re: India's nuclear ballistic missile submarine commissioned ; also India to get one more nuclear attack submarine from Russia

The first Akula class submarine (INS chakra) we got in 2012 was for 850 mil. How come this one is 2 Bil USD? They are the same generation I think...

Looks like Russia is charging India an arm and leg these days that too upfront...

In the case of S400 China is getting it much cheaper for 6 systems for around 3 billion where as we are getting 5 systems for about 5-6 bil USD

In the last few years Russian weaponry has got very expensive to India... Is Russia sending a message to India?
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The first Akula class submarine (INS chakra) we got in 2012 was for 850 mil. How come this one is 2 Bil USD? They are the same generation I think...

Looks like Russia is charging India an arm and leg these days that too upfront...

In the case of S400 China is getting it much cheaper for 6 systems for around 3 billion where as we are getting 5 systems for about 5-6 bil USD

In the last few years Russian weaponry has got very expensive to India... Is Russia sending a message to India?
everybody is charging india more . rafale fighterjet sold to qatar and egypt is at cheaper price compared to that at which it is sold to us .

as far as nuclear submarine is considered , russians can charge us anything they want . no one other than russia is willing to give us a strategic platform like a nuclear submarine .
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everybody is charging india more . rafale fighterjet sold to qatar and egypt is at cheaper price compared to that at which it is sold to us .

as far as nuclear submarine is considered , russians can charge us anything they want . no one other than russia is willing to give us a strategic platform like a nuclear submarine .

Historically western countries have charged us more and that has not changed. Regarding Rafale what compounded the price increase was the 50% offset clause. If we had no offset clause it would have been way cheaper and we would have got a better price than Egypt and qatar. Given that 50% of the money that Rafale made will have to be ploughed back to India, the price is justified and it works out cheaper than what egypt and qatar paid

The equation with russia has definitely changed. We are no longer given preferential treatment... That has gone to china... They are getting great deals... Though our relation with russia is not hostile, it has become more business like after India started diversifying our purchases and we started our western tilt
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