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View Poll Results: Who was great---Stalin or Gorbachev ??
Stalin 4 44.44%
Gorbachev 2 22.22%
Neither 2 22.22%
Can't say 1 11.11%
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Old September 26th, 2015, 02:56 AM
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Question Russians love Stalin the mass murderer but hate democratic reformer Gorbachev

Russians hate Gorbachev because he caused loss of Russia's superpower status and was responsible for dissolution of the Soviet union---or at least could not stop the dissolution .

On the other hand Stalin is loved inspite of the mass murders because he propelled Russia to greatness and defeated Germany in the second world war .

But is this attitude of the Russian people right ??

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Russians hate Gorbachev because he caused loss of Russia's superpower status and was responsible for dissolution of the Soviet union---or at least could not stop the dissolution .

On the other hand Stalin is loved inspite of the mass murders because he propelled Russia to greatness and defeated Germany in the second world war .

But is this attitude of the Russian people right ??

Read more here---

http://randomthoughtsonrussia.blogsp...-and-hate.html
There is/was a tremendous misinformation campaign against people who have been good to Russia. Stalin and other Soviet leaders have been maligned while Western puppets like Gorbachev have been praised by Western paid media. Look at this link. It gives reading pleasure.

https://gowans.wordpress.com/category/soviet-union/

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Re: Russians love Stalin the mass murderer but hate democratic reformer Gorbachev

The great guy was Krushchev.

Whaterver you may say about Stalin, he put 2 crore SOviets to death but brought down Hitler. US and England could not have done it without him.

His famous liner was "It takes more courage in Red army to Retreat than to advance"

He literally used to erase the memories and existence of those he fell out with like one of his henchmen Nikolai Yezhov in the pix below




Apparently another of his quotes was "One man one problem, no man no problem"
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Re: Russians love Stalin the mass murderer but hate democratic reformer Gorbachev

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Whaterver you may say about Stalin, he put 2 crore SOviets to death but brought down Hitler. US and England could not have done it without him.

His famous liner was "It takes more courage in Red army to Retreat than to advance"
Lies Lies! Propaganda lies. The conduct (heroism in battlefield) of Soviet soldiers was voluntary. West was/is jealous of Red army. That's why it cooked up lies.

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Lies Lies! Propaganda lies. The conduct of Soviet soldiers was voluntary. West was/is jealous of Red army. That's why it cooked up lies.
So there were no mass executions on Stalin's orders?
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So there were no mass executions on Stalin's orders?
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Lies Lies! Propaganda lies.
If it were, then Germany would have won WWII.
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Re: Russians love Stalin the mass murderer but hate democratic reformer Gorbachev

Russia is not exception. Mass murderer have been elected over reformists in some democracies too.
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Russians hate Gorbachev because he caused loss of Russia's superpower status and was responsible for dissolution of the Soviet union---or at least could not stop the dissolution .

On the other hand Stalin is loved inspite of the mass murders because he propelled Russia to greatness and defeated Germany in the second world war .

But is this attitude of the Russian people right ??

Read more here---

http://randomthoughtsonrussia.blogsp...-and-hate.html
Quoting from the below link:

"Stalin found the Soviet Union a wreck and left it a superpower; Gorbachev found it a superpower and left it a wreck."

Look into the link. The content is very long. But it's worth. When you can find time over many years to read shit, why not find time to read this great article?

https://gowans.wordpress.com/category/soviet-union/
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Another quote of Stalin.

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If it were, then Germany would have won WWII.
had there not been Stalins purges, Soviet russia would have won it long before 1945. he was a psychotic man who commanded a large amount of power.
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Re: Russians love Stalin the mass murderer but hate democratic reformer Gorbachev

Stalin was a mass murderer, but those were some terrible times in human history. Poland saw the worst of both countries, with Polish Jews becoming victims to the most horrific crimes in recorded human history.

Russia also suffered a lot. Both Leningrad and Stalingrad were obliterated by the Germans. Germany had almost taken over Moscow. Stalin started this massive campaign to protect Mother Russia. Women sold their jewelry and donated it to the govt. Men worked in factories for no wages. They built new and powerful tanks, planes and guns on minimal costs.

When they launched an offensive, they bull dozed over Germany, covering over 300 miles in 10 days on foot in cold weather. The war stories of Stalingrad are mind numbing.

Stalin was butchering the Japanese , who had butchered the Chinese. They say Russia was the main reason Japan surrendered, and not because of the Bomb.

Stalin did what it took to win the war and protect the Russians.
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had there not been Stalins purges, Soviet russia would have won it long before 1945. he was a psychotic man who commanded a large amount of power.
There are a lot of hypothetical possibilities in WW II. Like what if Japan didn’t do Pearl Harbor (Only Congress can declare war and thus pushed US into WW 2)

Stalin gathered a huge amount of power in a manner like Aurangzeb did. This gave him the luxury of sending millions to death, which western allies didn’t have (they could send only thousands to death). This helped him take care of Germany from the eastern side. There is a channel called AHC, which keeps showing stories from WW 2. There are also many documentaries in Netflix which led to my interest in This topic.
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had there not been Stalins purges, Soviet russia would have won it long before 1945. he was a psychotic man who commanded a large amount of power.
Another one is also that Stalinsigned a deal with hitler which helped hitler focus on France and England.
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There are a lot of hypothetical possibilities in WW II. Like what if Japan didn’t do Pearl Harbor (Only Congress can declare war and thus pushed US into WW 2)

Stalin gathered a huge amount of power in a manner like Aurangzeb did. This gave him the luxury of sending millions to death, which western allies didn’t have (they could send only thousands to death). This helped him take care of Germany from the eastern side. There is a channel called AHC, which keeps showing stories from WW 2. There are also many documentaries in Netflix which led to my interest in This topic.
Best documentary is ww2 in color. Also Oliver Stone Untold Stories of America. Excellent documentaries.
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