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Old October 6th, 2016, 06:43 AM
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Politicizing of Army

I do not understand when people like Kejriwal , Congress and Hardick Patel say that the sutgical strikes were done by Army. Why is BJP and Modi taking credit for that.

In US the Commander in Chief of the Armed forces is the President. Isn't that true in India ? Just like final decision to go in Pakistan and kill Osama was given by Obama . Was that not same with Modi ?

Then why should Modi not take credit for this ? Why is no on talking about this ?

What am I missing here ? Why are people saying ok Army is great but this is not BJP's work. Hell no this is BJP govt. and Modi's work. Army still reports to Defense Minister , who in turn reports to Modi and they are all under BJP.
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Old October 6th, 2016, 07:41 AM
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I do not understand when people like Kejriwal , Congress and Hardick Patel say that the sutgical strikes were done by Army. Why is BJP and Modi taking credit for that.

In US the Commander in Chief of the Armed forces is the President. Isn't that true in India ? Just like final decision to go in Pakistan and kill Osama was given by Obama . Was that not same with Modi ?

Then why should Modi not take credit for this ? Why is no on talking about this ?

What am I missing here ? Why are people saying ok Army is great but this is not BJP's work. Hell no this is BJP govt. and Modi's work. Army still reports to Defense Minister , who in turn reports to Modi and they are all under BJP.
the difference in India and US democracies is that in India the president is only a rubber stamp for a decision taken by the PM and his/her cabinet of ministers - quite like in the UK's queen. In US the president wields much more power. There is no way the president of India can ever authorise or order an army operation as things stand now.

there are two points of credit to Modi and his government as far as I can see -
1) Unlike the previous coalition governments, this one has had the balls to authorise a strike - of whatever scale. They did not just "condemn in strongest possible words".
2) The strikes did not happen just willy-nilly. Pakistan disputes the strikes even took place and that is probably more to do with the possibility that if Pakistan acknowledges the strikes happened and showed outrage or retaliated overtly, they wont get any support from anyone else (except maybe China). This is perceived to be down to diplomacy of Modi's government and Modi himself. Heck they followed the protocol to such an extent they say they even informed Pakistan they are going to hit the camps...

ofcourse the Army should get bigger credit for carrying the operation out and there is no denying that.
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Old October 6th, 2016, 08:46 AM
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the difference in India and US democracies is that in India the president is only a rubber stamp for a decision taken by the PM and his/her cabinet of ministers - quite like in the UK's queen. In US the president wields much more power. There is no way the president of India can ever authorise or order an army operation as things stand now.

there are two points of credit to Modi and his government as far as I can see -
1) Unlike the previous coalition governments, this one has had the balls to authorise a strike - of whatever scale. They did not just "condemn in strongest possible words".
2) The strikes did not happen just willy-nilly. Pakistan disputes the strikes even took place and that is probably more to do with the possibility that if Pakistan acknowledges the strikes happened and showed outrage or retaliated overtly, they wont get any support from anyone else (except maybe China). This is perceived to be down to diplomacy of Modi's government and Modi himself. Heck they followed the protocol to such an extent they say they even informed Pakistan they are going to hit the camps...

ofcourse the Army should get bigger credit for carrying the operation out and there is no denying that.
You did not get my point . My point is Congress is saying why is Modi taking credit for Surgical Strike. I am saying why not ? Isn't he in charge of Army ? Does Modi not give final orders to Army ? Then is the mission is success , why should he not take credit ?
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Extending your analogy from IT.

Team achieves a super complex project (a major application release gone horribly wrong, application serves hundreds of client facing reps) in short time of 3 weeks, team members working 14-15 hours a day. The Director claims success, credit and grants 1 week PTO to team. Project Manager gets an award.
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You did not get my point . My point is Congress is saying why is Modi taking credit for Surgical Strike. I am saying why not ? Isn't he in charge of Army ? Does Modi not give final orders to Army ? Then is the mission is success , why should he not take credit ?
Why does MMS claim credit for opening up and expanding India's economy in 90s? His juniors did all the work.

Congress is full of mofos.. to oppose Modi they will go to any level, even shaking hands with Pakistan.

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I do not understand when people like Kejriwal , Congress and Hardick Patel say that the sutgical strikes were done by Army. Why is BJP and Modi taking credit for that.
By their logic, Indira Gandhi and the ruling Congress had no role to play in the Bangladesh Liberation war or any other armed conflicts in which India defeated Pakistan! Then why do Congi's cream their pants singing praises of their highly "effective" leaders?

Unlike Pakistan, Indian Army does not act unilaterally and has to take orders from the ruling establishment.
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You did not get my point . My point is Congress is saying why is Modi taking credit for Surgical Strike. I am saying why not ? Isn't he in charge of Army ? Does Modi not give final orders to Army ? Then is the mission is success , why should he not take credit ?
Congress or whoever discrediting Modi is nonsense. Earlier PM did not have guts to work proactively towards this or even to give a go-ahead. A gun does not fire by itself - it has to be operated properly
Not a good analogy because army must have done lots of work before asking for a decision from PM.
Modi deserves all of credit he is getting.
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Re: Politicizing of Army

Modi deserves the credit because he laid the foundation that made this strike a no-brainer and empowered the Army to make it happen. Army deserves as much credit to their name, and giving Modi the credit doesn't take anything away from Army.

He visited the world leaders in the first couple of years of his tenure, introduced himself personally to give them a sense of who he is, how he can work with them and vice-versa. In the process, he made a lot of friends who will see a good business partner and someone they can personally relate to. It's natural for them to say, "Hey Modi, well done man... you have my support!"

And the second, and more important part, was for him to to say, "Army, you know what you need to do and how to do it. I trust you to deliver a Surgical Strike!"

It takes balls, which the previous government didn't have. There is no appeasement politics to worry about. That's why Modi deserves the credit.

I guess we're all saying the same things
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I guess we're all saying the same things
Yes... all of us echans here on echarcha.com are saying the same thing. And so I believe millions... nay, billions of Indians are saying the same thing. Only people not agreeing are congressees, who are having a strange case of Khujli... in their balls.
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But he is saying it more loudly.
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Modi deserves the credit because he laid the foundation that made this strike a no-brainer and empowered the Army to make it happen. Army deserves as much credit to their name, and giving Modi the credit doesn't take anything away from Army.

He visited the world leaders in the first couple of years of his tenure, introduced himself personally to give them a sense of who he is, how he can work with them and vice-versa. In the process, he made a lot of friends who will see a good business partner and someone they can personally relate to. It's natural for them to say, "Hey Modi, well done man... you have my support!"

And the second, and more important part, was for him to to say, "Army, you know what you need to do and how to do it. I trust you to deliver a Surgical Strike!"

It takes balls, which the previous government didn't have. There is no appeasement politics to worry about. That's why Modi deserves the credit.
Nicely put this one.
There has to be synergy between Army and PM. Like in 71, apparently Maneckshaw pushed back and asked for 6 months for a war He was blaming the general in 62 for not pushing back then.
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But he is saying it more loudly.
That is the only skill set he has.
Although I am not complaining in this case.
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