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Prostitution should be legalised & there should be Condom machines next to ATMs.




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Re: Should prostitution be legalised ?

Ashdoc...I do not agree with you a bit. Also, write an article and do some research to show that legalization of prostitution has indeed worked out for the betterment of WOMEN. Just throwing words at me isn’t going to convince me. Of all the points you have put in red, I see a common trend:

which is...legalization will work out better for MEN; because you are going to feel less guilty about going to bed with a women. Legalization is not the solution for something like prostitution.

A wrong is wrong, even if you legalize it. It’s like saying "legalize rape". Then it’s ok to rape women (like in those Muslim countries).
What next? Legalize child porn and child trafficking? This also is driven by mans lust. If it is legalized then at least the child will go to the police for harassment, get doctors etc...Is this where we are heading next?

Very smartly you said that I talk, talk and talk and I talk an ideal world. But at least i got my facts right. Do some real research and come back with facts of women who felt that legalization had helped them. Don’t just throw words.

Wow!! we cannot fight this prostitution and hence we legalize this!! what a crazy thing to say.

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Re: Should prostitution be legalised ?

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In other service oriented industries, in organized sector, what percentage of the gross revenues go to the actual employee. E.g. software, lawyer etc.. What percentage of their billing do they actually receive as take home pay?

Just to know a statistic.

Say, if infosys charges a client $40 per hour for the services of a programmer, how much is passed on to the programmer? I am sure there will be different levels of compensation for a) a regular employee, b) a contract / non-regular employee, c) a person temporarily borrowed from another vendor.
How can you compare prostitution with any other mode of employment? As a software engineer/lawyer etc, are you going to face all the points I had written?? NO.
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Old September 5th, 2009, 08:19 AM
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Re: Should prostitution be legalised ?

Rakhi, it would be wrong if there was exploitation involved.

If it serves to fulfill a mutual need voluntarily, it would be just a business transaction.

The professionals do reserve the right of admission, right to refuse some services, insist on condom etc..

Now, when we are talking about prostitutes, the image that comes to the mind is of the closed match box size rooms of kamathipura and the helpless girls lured / forced into it.

There are also a lot of girls/boys who are into it voluntarily, and do it on their own terms. This trend is on the increase in the urban areas, with more freedom.

Today, if these people are abused, they have no legal recourse, practically.

Now, unofficial/ illegal trade will always be there, even if there were laws legalising it.
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Re: Should prostitution be legalised ?

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How can you compare prostitution with any other mode of employment? As a software engineer/lawyer etc, are you going to face all the points I had written?? NO.
I just asked for a statistic... Will discuss later how the various employments are are comparable.

Can anyone give me the statistics???
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Re: Should prostitution be legalised ?

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It would be interesting if you gets some stats from USA which incidentally reports the highest no of rape cases in world even after legalizing prostitution

legalizing prostitution...hmm..how many collegegals.call girls would apply for a license for indulging in these activities? Do you really think that it will become an organized market after legalization? And what doctor and NGO stuff you are talking about. How many docs/1000 people you have in India?

Anyways, prostitution is banned in certain states of India. This statement needs validation. There are thriving red-light areas in lots of major cities in India and sometimes I do hear news about minors being rescued from brothels from these area which means that these brothels have license to work. When prostitution was banned in Hyderabad...the entire red-light area near charminar was taken out and it exists no more!!

all in all....just because prostitution has been there throughout history doesn't mean that it has to be right. This argument just cannot be justified on the basis of history. Just because islam says to rape a woman prisoner is right doesn't mean that it justifies the setup of complex social-system today...prostitution, just like drug abuse, in its entirity is a concept that cannot be justified as a 'civilzed' way of living life. Just because you are 18 and entered legal age to have sex doesn't mean that your parents/society will entertain you having sex with a 'legal' prostitute. Technically you are not at fault legally but ask yourself from within and you will know how much you are at fault!!! 'doing what you like is freedom but liking what you do is hapiness''

prostitution is a word, when used, always raises eyebrows for all the wrong reasons. Reason enough that it should be discouraged if not eliminated!! And the right way to discourage is to re-habilitate sex-workers so that their second-generation lives a more 'dignified' life.

btw good topic ash and your historical reference is an intergral part of article but later you should quote enough research and ecvidence to validate your view otherwise its very difficult to agree wth you on such contentious topics
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Re: Should prostitution be legalised ?

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I just asked for a statistic... Will discuss later how the various employments are are comparable.

Can anyone give me the statistics???
Its difficult to say exactly how much percentage is going where unless we have access to the financial statements and the books and records of the company raniraja...we can make a guess by forming a similar trend by taking periodic data, but we cannot tell for sure unless we have more details of the revenues generated by the company.

Did I get your question right?...
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Ashdoc...I do not agree with you a bit. Also, write an article and do some research to show that legalization of prostitution has indeed worked out for the betterment of WOMEN. Just throwing words at me isn’t going to convince me. Of all the points you have put in red, I see a common trend:

which is...legalization will work out better for MEN; because you are going to feel less guilty about going to bed with a women. Legalization is not the solution for something like prostitution.

A wrong is wrong, even if you legalize it. It’s like saying "legalize rape". Then it’s ok to rape women (like in those Muslim countries).
What next? Legalize child porn and child trafficking? This also is driven by mans lust. If it is legalized then at least the child will go to the police for harassment, get doctors etc...Is this where we are heading next?

Very smartly you said that I talk, talk and talk and I talk an ideal world. But at least i got my facts right. Do some real research and come back with facts of women who felt that legalization had helped them. Don’t just throw words.

Wow!! we cannot fight this prostitution and hence we legalize this!! what a crazy thing to say.
madamji ,in the thread where amthalal has asked as to whether i will go to prostitutes i have given the following answer-----

http://www.echarcha.com/forum/showpo...9&postcount=14

i also believe that the whole sick profession should close down.

but that is an idealistic thought , and we have to live in a practical world.

yes ,legalisation will work better for men ,but believe me that is a byproduct of the legalisation that will work for the betterment of the women who practise it.

i am talking about legalising prostitution so that women get access to health care and doctors and police dont harrass them.

vyomkesh calls me an impossible feminist , ask him......i am not a selfish man talking here about a mans pleasures here .

but the truth is that its a mans world , and we have to accept it.

there was a saying in bihar -'' jab tak rahegaa samose me aaloo , tab tak rahegaa bihar me laloo .''

which means - '' as long as there is potato in samosa , there will be laloo in bihar .

however reprehensible we found laloo , he did rule bihar for a long time ...

and we had to accept him as a fact of living life........

similarly men demanding sex will be a fact of life for women .......

has the proffession closed down in the last thousands of years , that it has any chance of closing now.....

do you really believe that your call will change what didn't change for the last thousands of years .......has indeed proliferated.......

what is the point in giving these calls .....

we may as well ask pigs to fly..............

rape and child porn and child traficking is not normal sex....

so banning it is correct........

going to prostitutes is normal sex.....

i know friends who do it.......

making it an offence is like making a large part of the worlds population criminals fit to be sent to jail , so large is the number of people who do it.

life of women who are in legalised prostitution is bad .....but do you seriously think that making it illegal will improve their lives ?

i dont think so ...

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Re: Should prostitution be legalised ?

ashdoc, Please, I request you to go back to page 3 and read every line of my article carefully.

I am talking about a practical world where prostitution is legalized. Like in my other example, look at Las Vegas, Nevada. Do you know how much crime rate that state has? Or, any other state for that matter.

According to my journal and the links I have posted in page 3, more than 89% of women who are in prostitution want a way out. Letís consider the other 11% whom you call, "willing-sex workers". Do you think they want their kids to follow their line of occupation? You might want your daughter to be a doctor and my hubby wants my daughter to be a captain...now if I were a sex worker, will I want my daughter to follow my foot prints?

The answer itself proves that there is fundamentally something wrong with prostitution.

If it remains illegal, at least there are some controls these pimps will keep in place. Do you think that if it is legal, these pimps have no means to tamper with the birth certificates saying that a 15 year old is 18 and is willing to enter this trade? Think practically ashdoc....

Honestly speaking, when people suffering from AIDS are being treated so compassionately, I do not see a reason why a person who is in prostitution be not treated with same compassion. Sooner or later a sex worker has good chances of getting HIV...then she is treated with care. When she is well, her fever, headaches are of no concern...

what a world we live in...

Ok...I better start writing my other article...SpriteJi must be at it right now!!
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ashdoc, Please, I request you to go back to page 3 and read every line of my article carefully.

I am talking about a practical world where prostitution is legalized. Like in my other example, look at Las Vegas, Nevada. Do you know how much crime rate that state has? Or, any other state for that matter.

According to my journal and the links I have posted in page 3, more than 89% of women who are in prostitution want a way out. Letís consider the other 11% whom you call, "willing-sex workers". Do you think they want their kids to follow their line of occupation? You might want your daughter to be a doctor and my hubby wants my daughter to be a captain...now if I were a sex worker, will I want my daughter to follow my foot prints?

The answer itself proves that there is fundamentally something wrong with prostitution.

If it remains illegal, at least there are some controls these pimps will keep in place. Do you think that if it is legal, these pimps have no means to tamper with the birth certificates saying that a 15 year old is 18 and is willing to enter this trade? Think practically ashdoc....

Honestly speaking, when people suffering from AIDS are being treated so compassionately, I do not see a reason why a person who is in prostitution be not treated with same compassion. Sooner or later a sex worker has good chances of getting HIV...then she is treated with care. When she is well, her fever, headaches are of no concern...

what a world we live in...

Ok...I better start writing my other article...SpriteJi must be at it right now!!
read this view on legalisation----

http://liberator.net/articles/prostitution.html

this too ,its shorter --

http://www.bukisa.com/articles/84858...f-prostitution

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Sure I will read a little later...but what is the gist of it?

I would guess, if it is not legal then sex-workers are abused and they dont have any where to go. Like I said before...instead of correcting something which is wrong, we are finding excuses to promote prostitution.

Never mind...I will need to read both the artciles...but I would appreciate the gist mean while.
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Good debate. I think either way is fine, whether you legalise it or not, you will continue to have men (and women) cheating on their respective partners / spouses. So it ultimately boils down to each one's individual conscience and where they want to draw a line for themselves. Legality / illegality is irrelevant. Conversely, having laws in place for punishing criminals never stopped crimes, did they...?
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It would be interesting if you gets some stats from USA which incidentally reports the highest no of rape cases in world even after legalizing prostitution
I don't think that prostitution is legal in USA.... I just checked and found that except some counties of Nevada and Rhode Island it is illegal elsewhere...

Interestingly while in Nevada around 20% of women are raped sometime in their adult lifetime...for whole USA it is between 13 to 15 %...
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I don't think that prostitution is legal in USA.... I just checked and found that except some counties of Nevada and Rhode Island it is illegal elsewhere...

Interestingly while in Nevada around 20% of women are raped sometime in their adult lifetime...for whole USA it is between 13 to 15 %...
I stand corrected then !! Someone mentioned it here I guess that prostitution is legal in US or may be I was dreaming

rephrasing- when sex is available so commonly in USA, then why there are so many cases of rapes there?
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It would be interesting if you gets some stats from USA which incidentally reports the highest no of rape cases in world even after legalizing prostitution
yeah according to statistics ,one woman is raped every six minutes somewhere in US.

but do you know that most probably asian and african countries where prostitution is illegal have a higher rate of rape.

but the statistics show less because women in these backward countries do not have the guts to come out in the open with the fact that they have been raped......for society in these countries treats these women as if they were criminals .......a raped woman is considered dishonoured....not fit to get married...........

on the other hand women in US come out openly as their society accepts a woman who has been raped as a victim and not as some dishonoured woman ........so the number of rapes reported are much more than other countries............

that is the real secret of US being tops as far as rape statistics are concerned.
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