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Old June 26th, 2010, 08:05 PM
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Re: What if Eklavya had said no?

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You overlook the fact that he tried to associate himself with Drona inappropriately. If Drona told him no, he could have practiced himself....

Thank God I overlooked, I didn't want to look at THAT.

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See how sensitive we Indians were to Intellectual Property and Copyright violations in such old days
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See how sensitive we Indians were to Intellectual Property and Copyright violations in such old days
and now we just ignore Copyright violations....ghor kalyug
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Re: What if Eklavya had said no?

Dronacharya's act was shameful , says supreme court

Dronacharya, Guru of Pandavas and Kauravas in the epic Mahabharata, came in for some harsh contemporary scrutiny in the Supreme Court, with the apex court terming as shameful his action in seeking the right thumb of tribal Eklavya to clear the way for his favourite, Arjun, to emerge as the best archer of the times.

"This was a shameful act on the part of Dronacharya. He had not even taught Eklavya, so what right had he to demand 'guru dakshina', and that too of the right thumb of Eklavya so that the latter may not become a better archer that his favourite pupil Arjun?", asked a bench comprising Justices Markandey Katju and Gyan Sudha Mishra. For them, the episode in the Adiparva section of the immortal epic constituted the "well well-known example of the injustice" to tribals.

The scathing observation on Dronacharaya was part of an order by the bench that sought to do justice to a young tribal woman who was paraded naked. The bench lavished praise on tribals and proclaimed them to be superior to non-tribals in many ways, stressing that it was time the present generation stopped robbing them of their forests and hills and undo the historical injustice inflicted on them. The case before the court related to four persons beating up a young Bhil woman and then parading her naked in the village. They were convicted by a trial court in Ahmednagar, Maharashtra, and sentenced to one-year imprisonment. However, Aurangabad bench of the Bombay HC acquitted them. The SC bench, while allowing an appeal and upholding the conviction and sentence, expressed surprise over Maharashtra government's silence in not filing an appeal against such a incident.

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Dronacharya's act was shameful , says supreme court

"This was a shameful act on the part of Dronacharya. He had not even taught Eklavya, so what right had he to demand 'guru dakshina', and that too of the right thumb of Eklavya so that the latter may not become a better archer that his favourite pupil Arjun?", asked a bench comprising Justices Markandey Katju and Gyan Sudha Mishra. For them, the episode in the Adiparva section of the immortal epic constituted the "well well-known example of the injustice" to tribals.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/i...ow/7226157.cms
Supreme court has time for this with so many pending cases currently?

BTW, Like Dhuru said, Ekalavya should not have told Pandavas that he was Drona's guy. Drona didn't teach him at all. It can be perceived not as guru-dakshina but as guru-punishment for misusing Drona's name.

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Old January 6th, 2011, 09:17 AM
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Re: What if Eklavya had said no?

OK...another point, even if Ekalavya has refused to give his thumb, he stood no chance of escaping from Drona and all the Pandavas put together, should he refuse. It is for the best that he let go of his thumb than loose his life. So, he gracefully agreed to give his thumb.

I am not saying this was what Ekalavya was thinking, but there is a possibility that its the case. is it not?
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OK...another point, even if Ekalavya has refused to give his thumb, he stood no chance of escaping from Drona and all the Pandavas put together, should he refuse. It is for the best that he let go of his thumb than loose his life. So, he gracefully agreed to give his thumb.

I am not saying this was what Ekalavya was thinking, but there is a possibility that its the case. is it not?
were they behind eklavya at all?
drona asked for the thumb bcoz he wanted arjun to be the sarvshreshta dhanurdhar. thats it. not bcoz eklavya could become a danger to arjun if he fought alongside kauravas during mahabharat war etc.
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Re: What if Eklavya had said no?

Who the F is supreme court is to interpret our ancient text... and what the F has eklavya story to do with tribals... judgmental bastards... again judging an age old story in accordance to taday's morals. better they keep their sanctimonious noses out of it.
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were they behind eklavya at all?
drona asked for the thumb bcoz he wanted arjun to be the sarvshreshta dhanurdhar. thats it. not bcoz eklavya could become a danger to arjun if he fought alongside kauravas during mahabharat war etc.
Well, if Drona wanted Arjuna to be number 1, then they sure were behind Ekalavya.

How are you ruling out the possibility that Ekalavya would not be persuaded by Kauravas if they happen to see how good he is in archery?
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Re: What if Eklavya had said no?

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Well, if Drona wanted Arjuna to be number 1, then they sure were behind Ekalavya.

How are you ruling out the possibility that Ekalavya would not be persuaded by Kauravas if they happen to see how good he is in archery?
i mean 'behind' in the sense that pandavas and drona were not chasing eklavya or something. so there was no 'possible chances of him escaping from them'.
whether mahabharat war would have happened or not was not known at the time of drona asking for his thumb. drona just wanted arjun to be no. 1., mahabharat or not.
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I think that if Eklavya had said "no" then he would have been Dolavya.
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I think that if Eklavya had said "no" then he would have been Dolavya.
You mean if he showed the thumb instead of offering it.
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And pray tell us who cursed Brahmins....as it is not recorded that Karna ever did
probably Dr B R Ambedkar

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Eklavya did a strategic mistake to falsely promote himself as Drona's pupil. In particular, he made an idol of Drona and worshipped him as his Guru and continued practicing. This means he was planning to use Drona as his indirect reference to promote his archery skills at a later date to gain employment. He must have thought that regardless of how great an archer he is by virtue of his practice, he will never have access to some mantra operated divine weaponry. Therefore, he will never be an absolutely best archer. Hence, he will need a reference as a pupil of famous teacher to gain employment as a commander of some troops in some king's army

Drona was quick on his feet. He saw thru the Eklavya's deception and decided to trap him in his own web. If he publicly made him a Guru, it would be hard to just kill him or have him killed. Therefore, he asked for a Guru dakshina so that he could not be a superior archer in conventional archery warfare (note that one cannot use divine weaponry unless the opponent also knows of the same or equivalent demonic weaponry)

If Eklavya had denied...Drona would have used his official powers to punish him for not paying fees....or curse him like Parshuram did to Karna

I know of this because I am Dhuronacharya
Eklavya hid in the bushes and learnt archery while Drona was teaching his students. He didn't have permission to learn from Dronacharya. So Drona was not wrong in asking for his thumb and rendering Eklavya unable to use his skills. All this including the questionable origin of Ekalavya justifies Drona's demand. All references to Eklavya being better than Arjun are bogus. There never was any competition that they both participated in. Only a story of a dog barking is used to state a theory. Often the story is twisted to indicate that Arjun questioned Drona of why is Ekalavya so much better if he was the one chosen to become the best archer.

Ekalavya was a thief first, and sacrificial lamb later.

Take for example Karana, when Dronacharya refused to teach him... he chose a different Guru. He had to lie to Parashurama because he didn't himself know the truth... thats besides the point of this thread I guess.
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I was watching Dance India Dance Little Masters episode just now and one of the contestants performed a taandav dance depicting Eklavya's story.

What if Eklavya had said no to Dronacharya and refused to give his right thumb as guru dakshina?
Drona would perhaps have asked Arjun to fight Eklavya and cut his thumb off.
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