eCharcha.Com   Support eCharcha.Com. Click on sponsor ad to shop online!

Advertise Here

Go Back   eCharcha.Com > eCharcha Lounge > Crowning Glory

Notices

Crowning Glory A home for our best content ... award winning created by eCharchans!!

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old October 31st, 2010, 03:20 PM
Chandni's Avatar
Chandni Chandni is offline
Junior eCharchan
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 240
Chandni has a reputation beyond reputeChandni has a reputation beyond reputeChandni has a reputation beyond reputeChandni has a reputation beyond reputeChandni has a reputation beyond reputeChandni has a reputation beyond reputeChandni has a reputation beyond reputeChandni has a reputation beyond reputeChandni has a reputation beyond reputeChandni has a reputation beyond reputeChandni has a reputation beyond repute
Vedic Guru

I attended this sermon today which said that to get a complete understanding of God a Vedic Guru is a must . But will this not defeat the purpose of Hinduism which says find your own path to spirituality ?

Why will I not be influenced by this Guru everytime he gives a sermon . Isnt it possible to understand the ancient texts by ones own accord ?



Quote:
Vedic Guru
Original forum: Religion
Views:287 Replies: 33
Winner of Crown of the Week (ending Fri, Nov 5th 2010)

Last edited by echarcha; November 7th, 2010 at 07:12 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old October 31st, 2010, 05:44 PM
chitrala's Avatar
chitrala chitrala is offline
Clown Prince
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Room 101
Posts: 8,199
chitrala has a reputation beyond reputechitrala has a reputation beyond reputechitrala has a reputation beyond reputechitrala has a reputation beyond reputechitrala has a reputation beyond reputechitrala has a reputation beyond reputechitrala has a reputation beyond reputechitrala has a reputation beyond reputechitrala has a reputation beyond reputechitrala has a reputation beyond reputechitrala has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Vedic Guru

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chandni View Post
I attended this sermon today which said that to get a complete understanding of God a Vedic Guru is a must . But will this not defeat the purpose of Hinduism which says find your own path to spirituality ?

Why will I not be influenced by this Guru everytime he gives a sermon . Isnt it possible to understand the ancient texts by ones own accord ?

All the guru based cults preach the same(like Osho, radhaswami, asharam etc) and they quote some obscure shloq from some ved or upnishad for support... thing is, who will pay the bill for these bastards ash if they woudnt have shishyas...

Don't worry..there are hundreds of books available on hindu spirituality... as long as you can understand them..you dont need any of these fraud cheapos.
__________________
I am here because I am nowhere else. But, am I there where I wanted to be?

Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old October 31st, 2010, 06:05 PM
landyaBhai's Avatar
landyaBhai landyaBhai is offline
Proud LLKC member
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Here-Now
Posts: 6,422
landyaBhai has a reputation beyond reputelandyaBhai has a reputation beyond reputelandyaBhai has a reputation beyond reputelandyaBhai has a reputation beyond reputelandyaBhai has a reputation beyond reputelandyaBhai has a reputation beyond reputelandyaBhai has a reputation beyond reputelandyaBhai has a reputation beyond reputelandyaBhai has a reputation beyond reputelandyaBhai has a reputation beyond reputelandyaBhai has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Vedic Guru

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chandni View Post
I attended this sermon today which said that to get a complete understanding of God a Vedic Guru is a must . But will this not defeat the purpose of Hinduism which says find your own path to spirituality ?

Why will I not be influenced by this Guru everytime he gives a sermon . Isnt it possible to understand the ancient texts by ones own accord ?

Not all Hindu scriptures talk about self-realization ... Also most of these scriptures were in possession of only certain branches of brahmanical leaders ... It was only during the British rule, did they get revealed to the general public ... Also the medium of instruction was purposefully kept to Sanskrit ... The language of the elites .... The general masses were not educated enough to understand Sanskrit, let alone scriptures written in English ... Even though under the British raj the scriptures got in the hands of the public, only Sanskrit versions were handed down in order to maintain the monopoly of the Brahmins ...

Also, as I mentioned earlier, not all scriptures are to be considered to be on par withe Upanishads or the Gita ... So it makes sense for the priests/religious leaders to cite something obscure from something under unrelated contexts ... You should understand that Hinduism did not develop under one common church headed by one pope ... Before the shankaracharyas, the Hindu scriptures existed but there was a lack of centralized entity responsible for it's evolution or interpretation ...So whatever the priest/brhmans interprets, it becomes a sort of ideology ... A sort of another branching of Hindu ideology...hence you see so many branches of Hinduism ...
__________________
The Quieter You Become, The More You Can Hear
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old November 1st, 2010, 12:11 AM
Indian's Avatar
Indian Indian is offline
Indian eCharchan
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: HELLabad
Posts: 3,346
Indian has a reputation beyond reputeIndian has a reputation beyond reputeIndian has a reputation beyond reputeIndian has a reputation beyond reputeIndian has a reputation beyond reputeIndian has a reputation beyond reputeIndian has a reputation beyond reputeIndian has a reputation beyond reputeIndian has a reputation beyond reputeIndian has a reputation beyond reputeIndian has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Vedic Guru

Quote:
Originally Posted by chitrala View Post
All the guru based cults preach the same(like Osho, radhaswami, asharam etc) and they quote some obscure shloq from some ved or upnishad for support... thing is, who will pay the bill for these bastards ash if they woudnt have shishyas...

Don't worry..there are hundreds of books available on hindu spirituality... as long as you can understand them..you dont need any of these fraud cheapos.
so...we dont need gurus ? all we need is books ?
__________________
born LLKC !

not ashamed to be IDLE !
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old November 1st, 2010, 09:28 AM
razzrhino's Avatar
razzrhino razzrhino is offline
Senior eCharchan
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 1,807
razzrhino has a reputation beyond reputerazzrhino has a reputation beyond reputerazzrhino has a reputation beyond reputerazzrhino has a reputation beyond reputerazzrhino has a reputation beyond reputerazzrhino has a reputation beyond reputerazzrhino has a reputation beyond reputerazzrhino has a reputation beyond reputerazzrhino has a reputation beyond reputerazzrhino has a reputation beyond reputerazzrhino has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Vedic Guru

Quote:
Originally Posted by Indian View Post
so...we dont need gurus ? all we need is books ?
ya just one to be precise ' Enlightenment for Dummies' - by Shri Guru Chitrala Swami.
__________________
"Don't Vote—It Just Encourages the Bastards." - P.J. O'Rourke
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old November 1st, 2010, 09:35 AM
Rakhi's Avatar
Rakhi Rakhi is offline
Senior eCharchan
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 9,702
Rakhi has a reputation beyond reputeRakhi has a reputation beyond reputeRakhi has a reputation beyond reputeRakhi has a reputation beyond reputeRakhi has a reputation beyond reputeRakhi has a reputation beyond reputeRakhi has a reputation beyond reputeRakhi has a reputation beyond reputeRakhi has a reputation beyond reputeRakhi has a reputation beyond reputeRakhi has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Vedic Guru

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chandni View Post
I attended this sermon today which said that to get a complete understanding of God a Vedic Guru is a must . But will this not defeat the purpose of Hinduism which says find your own path to spirituality ?

Why will I not be influenced by this Guru everytime he gives a sermon . Isnt it possible to understand the ancient texts by ones own accord ?

I think it is very much possible to understand ancient texts with ones own accord. Most of Hindu scriptures are written in Sanskrit. If you understand sanskrit, then you can interpret in your own way. if not, then yu are anyway depending on the person who has translated it for you.

If you are looking at Bible, the Old testament was written in Hebrew and the New Testament was written in Greek (i think most of it). So, if you are reading English version, again, you are depending on someone else to interpret it for you.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old November 1st, 2010, 09:50 AM
Sane Less's Avatar
Sane Less Sane Less is offline
Dead On Arrival is back
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 17,340
Sane Less has a reputation beyond reputeSane Less has a reputation beyond reputeSane Less has a reputation beyond reputeSane Less has a reputation beyond reputeSane Less has a reputation beyond reputeSane Less has a reputation beyond reputeSane Less has a reputation beyond reputeSane Less has a reputation beyond reputeSane Less has a reputation beyond reputeSane Less has a reputation beyond reputeSane Less has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Vedic Guru

Quote:
Originally Posted by razzrhino View Post
ya just one to be precise ' Enlightenment for Dummies' - by Shri Guru Chitrala Swami.
I thought I had the sole claim over self-elt... Chitrlsami pai, you need to pay me royalty
__________________
-----------------------------------------------

"Hinduism brought a multitude of religions under one roof and survived for eons. Christianity and other religions will need to do the same or perish." - saneless
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old November 1st, 2010, 12:19 PM
Indian's Avatar
Indian Indian is offline
Indian eCharchan
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: HELLabad
Posts: 3,346
Indian has a reputation beyond reputeIndian has a reputation beyond reputeIndian has a reputation beyond reputeIndian has a reputation beyond reputeIndian has a reputation beyond reputeIndian has a reputation beyond reputeIndian has a reputation beyond reputeIndian has a reputation beyond reputeIndian has a reputation beyond reputeIndian has a reputation beyond reputeIndian has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Vedic Guru

u people value the books and not the people(gurus) behind the bright ideas in those books.

hmmm.,...zamana kharab hain
feels like drinking couple of pegs whisky...& forget myself in some stupid ghazals
__________________
born LLKC !

not ashamed to be IDLE !
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old November 1st, 2010, 01:13 PM
chitrala's Avatar
chitrala chitrala is offline
Clown Prince
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Room 101
Posts: 8,199
chitrala has a reputation beyond reputechitrala has a reputation beyond reputechitrala has a reputation beyond reputechitrala has a reputation beyond reputechitrala has a reputation beyond reputechitrala has a reputation beyond reputechitrala has a reputation beyond reputechitrala has a reputation beyond reputechitrala has a reputation beyond reputechitrala has a reputation beyond reputechitrala has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Vedic Guru

Quote:
Originally Posted by Indian View Post
so...we dont need gurus ? all we need is books ?
I am not saying that we don't need gurus at all... what I mean is that gurus are not essential. If you can read and understand... why would you need a guru or jon a cult. Ever read Asharam Bapu... I guarantee you that you can bullshit a lot better.
__________________
I am here because I am nowhere else. But, am I there where I wanted to be?

Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old November 1st, 2010, 04:30 PM
landyaBhai's Avatar
landyaBhai landyaBhai is offline
Proud LLKC member
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Here-Now
Posts: 6,422
landyaBhai has a reputation beyond reputelandyaBhai has a reputation beyond reputelandyaBhai has a reputation beyond reputelandyaBhai has a reputation beyond reputelandyaBhai has a reputation beyond reputelandyaBhai has a reputation beyond reputelandyaBhai has a reputation beyond reputelandyaBhai has a reputation beyond reputelandyaBhai has a reputation beyond reputelandyaBhai has a reputation beyond reputelandyaBhai has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Vedic Guru

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rakhi View Post
I think it is very much possible to understand ancient texts with ones own accord. Most of Hindu scriptures are written in Sanskrit. If you understand sanskrit, then you can interpret in your own way. if not, then yu are anyway depending on the person who has translated it for you.

If you are looking at Bible, the Old testament was written in Hebrew and the New Testament was written in Greek (i think most of it). So, if you are reading English version, again, you are depending on someone else to interpret it for you.
Sanskrit is not a cut and dry language ... Even the way you pronounce the syllables can change the meaning of the whole sentence ...
__________________
The Quieter You Become, The More You Can Hear
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old November 1st, 2010, 04:32 PM
landyaBhai's Avatar
landyaBhai landyaBhai is offline
Proud LLKC member
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Here-Now
Posts: 6,422
landyaBhai has a reputation beyond reputelandyaBhai has a reputation beyond reputelandyaBhai has a reputation beyond reputelandyaBhai has a reputation beyond reputelandyaBhai has a reputation beyond reputelandyaBhai has a reputation beyond reputelandyaBhai has a reputation beyond reputelandyaBhai has a reputation beyond reputelandyaBhai has a reputation beyond reputelandyaBhai has a reputation beyond reputelandyaBhai has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Vedic Guru

Quote:
Originally Posted by chitrala View Post
I am not saying that we don't need gurus at all... what I mean is that gurus are not essential. If you can read and understand... why would you need a guru or jon a cult. Ever read Asharam Bapu... I guarantee you that you can bullshit a lot better.
Understanding seyy kya karegaa chitrala bhau ... Intellectually everyone knows that they are not their body, but some spiritual entity, say soul ...
__________________
The Quieter You Become, The More You Can Hear
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old November 1st, 2010, 06:42 PM
JaiSpeaks's Avatar
JaiSpeaks JaiSpeaks is offline
The NEo of Echarcha
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: USA
Posts: 6,830
JaiSpeaks has a reputation beyond reputeJaiSpeaks has a reputation beyond reputeJaiSpeaks has a reputation beyond reputeJaiSpeaks has a reputation beyond reputeJaiSpeaks has a reputation beyond reputeJaiSpeaks has a reputation beyond reputeJaiSpeaks has a reputation beyond reputeJaiSpeaks has a reputation beyond reputeJaiSpeaks has a reputation beyond reputeJaiSpeaks has a reputation beyond reputeJaiSpeaks has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Vedic Guru

Quote:
Originally Posted by landyaBhai View Post
Understanding seyy kya karegaa chitrala bhau ... Intellectually everyone knows that they are not their body, but some spiritual entity, say soul ...
Wohi to , if you read a Math book, you understand the concepts but problem solving ki baari aayi tab phategi . So I guess a guru may give a much needed direction or say a hint to proceed .
__________________
If you win you need not explain.. But if you lose you should not be there to explain
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old November 1st, 2010, 06:51 PM
landyaBhai's Avatar
landyaBhai landyaBhai is offline
Proud LLKC member
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Here-Now
Posts: 6,422
landyaBhai has a reputation beyond reputelandyaBhai has a reputation beyond reputelandyaBhai has a reputation beyond reputelandyaBhai has a reputation beyond reputelandyaBhai has a reputation beyond reputelandyaBhai has a reputation beyond reputelandyaBhai has a reputation beyond reputelandyaBhai has a reputation beyond reputelandyaBhai has a reputation beyond reputelandyaBhai has a reputation beyond reputelandyaBhai has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Vedic Guru

Quote:
Originally Posted by JaiSpeaks View Post
Wohi to , if you read a Math book, you understand the concepts but problem solving ki baari aayi tab phategi . So I guess a guru may give a much needed direction or say a hint to proceed .
A spiritually realized guru is needed ...but not brhmans ... Although technically a brhmans means one who has realized the brhman in all ... The ONE in ALL and vice versa ...
__________________
The Quieter You Become, The More You Can Hear
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old November 1st, 2010, 07:07 PM
dhurandhar's Avatar
dhurandhar dhurandhar is offline
Dhureshvar Dhuracharya
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Omnipresent
Posts: 13,278
dhurandhar has a reputation beyond reputedhurandhar has a reputation beyond reputedhurandhar has a reputation beyond reputedhurandhar has a reputation beyond reputedhurandhar has a reputation beyond reputedhurandhar has a reputation beyond reputedhurandhar has a reputation beyond reputedhurandhar has a reputation beyond reputedhurandhar has a reputation beyond reputedhurandhar has a reputation beyond reputedhurandhar has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Vedic Guru

Quote:
Originally Posted by JaiSpeaks View Post
Wohi to , if you read a Math book, you understand the concepts but problem solving ki baari aayi tab phategi . So I guess a guru may give a much needed direction or say a hint to proceed .
you get that illusion....until you start solving problems....many gurus are like an answer at the back of the book...a sadguru (not sad guru) is the one who will give you textbook after ripping the answer pages from the book
__________________
Hum woh hai jo vidhaata ka bhagya likhte hai
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old November 1st, 2010, 08:23 PM
chitrala's Avatar
chitrala chitrala is offline
Clown Prince
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Room 101
Posts: 8,199
chitrala has a reputation beyond reputechitrala has a reputation beyond reputechitrala has a reputation beyond reputechitrala has a reputation beyond reputechitrala has a reputation beyond reputechitrala has a reputation beyond reputechitrala has a reputation beyond reputechitrala has a reputation beyond reputechitrala has a reputation beyond reputechitrala has a reputation beyond reputechitrala has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Vedic Guru

Quote:
Originally Posted by landyaBhai View Post
Understanding seyy kya karegaa chitrala bhau ... Intellectually everyone knows that they are not their body, but some spiritual entity, say soul ...
Arrey bhai... those books are better than them sexophilliac swamis...
__________________
I am here because I am nowhere else. But, am I there where I wanted to be?

Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
US state senate session opens with Vedic chants Napolean International Politics 7 May 8th, 2007 07:22 PM
Vedic Culture is the Parent of Humanity max de Indiana Religion 2 May 14th, 2005 05:42 PM
Was the Taj Mahal a Vedic Temple? baapji Religion 0 December 10th, 2004 04:36 PM
Vedic religion and Islam have same roots... tinda SoapBox 9 June 26th, 2002 06:10 AM
Vedic Mathematics anyone? GpeL Cultural Exchange 6 September 8th, 2001 04:54 AM


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 11:59 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Site Copyright © eCharcha.Com 2000-2012.