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Old September 30th, 2016, 11:52 PM
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Right to Revoke Consent? Your opinions

There is much talk now-a-days about the "right to revoke consent". I'll give you a common situation -

There is a guy and a girl. There are having a fling. He has promised her marriage. Then something happens, he backs off. He reneges on the promise. Girl is furious.

Question - Has the boy cheated the girl?

Some thoughts -

If the girl had promised the guy and then had backed out. What then? Would not "people" say that she has a right to choose her partner? That she has a right to be happy? That she can withdraw consent anytime she wants?

Should not the same apply to the boy? Does he not have the right to revoke consent? Does he not have the right to be happy? Does he not have the right to choose his partner? Can he not expect the girl to fade away?

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Old October 1st, 2016, 02:13 AM
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Re: Right to Revoke Consent? Your opinions

Laws are lopsided on women's side, but that is more or less fine. More often women have suffered and being the weaker sex have been taken advantage of.
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Old October 1st, 2016, 05:25 AM
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Re: Right to Revoke Consent? Your opinions

Dear Shaktiman,

You say women have suffered. I do not think so.

If you look at the above case, if the boy backs off you will say the woman is suffering. But if the girl backs off, you will not say man is suffering.

It is this lopsided PERCEPTIONS which make people believe that women have suffered more than men. Women have suffered. No doubt. But men have suffered too. Men have suffered MORE than women.

BTW, I really believe this. I am not arguing for sake of arguing. I thought of this topic after reading AshDoc's review of Pink
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Re: Right to Revoke Consent? Your opinions

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There is a guy and a girl. There are having a fling. He has promised her marriage. Then something happens, he backs off. He reneges on the promise. Girl is furious.
The way i read it is, He has promised her marriage basically to have sex. after having sex, he is now done with her and wants to back off. Obviously, the girl is furious, though she may be worse off if such a guy actually marries her.
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Old October 1st, 2016, 07:29 AM
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Re: Right to Revoke Consent? Your opinions

The issue is slightly different, sgars. If either party breaks the promise, the other party is injured. When the man breaks off, it is assumed that he promised to have sex. But it may be that he genuinely found something about the girl that upset him - or he got plain bored with her. So what - he withdrew the consent. Simple.

I want to talk about the double standards of society - where if a girl does it, it is OK. If a guy does it, it is not OK.

Thats all
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Re: Right to Revoke Consent? Your opinions

But Shrigjaarey pai, society has always had double-standards. In fact, the meaning of society is double-standards. And in such societies, laws will always be lop-sided.

For ages, when promises are broken by women, men have taken to alcohol... and fallen down along road-sides and gutters. You tell me, what recourse should a woman take If she indeed takes the same recourse and falls down along a gutter, you think she will be safe and protected and taken to her home... like a man would be
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Old October 2nd, 2016, 04:28 AM
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Re: Right to Revoke Consent? Your opinions

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But Shrigjaarey pai, society has always had double-standards. In fact, the meaning of society is double-standards. And in such societies, laws will always be lop-sided.

For ages, when promises are broken by women, men have taken to alcohol... and fallen down along road-sides and gutters. You tell me, what recourse should a woman take If she indeed takes the same recourse and falls down along a gutter, you think she will be safe and protected and taken to her home... like a man would be
This is another important point you have brought up. He is on the roadside because he is considered useless. Look at the roads and the homeless. See any woman there? ALL are men. ALL HOMELESS ARE MEN - or atleast 99%. Just look. In US some are war veterans. Men are the disposable sex!!
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Re: Right to Revoke Consent? Your opinions

From whatever I have read in the media and seen on TV, at least in the USA, if a man and woman are having consensual sex and during foreplay or at any time if the woman says STOP then the man has to stop else the woman can call it a rape and the man gets screwed by the law.


Is this biased towards women? Yes? Is it right? I dont know because it can go both ways ....
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Re: Right to Revoke Consent? Your opinions

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This is another important point you have brought up. He is on the roadside because he is considered useless. Look at the roads and the homeless. See any woman there? ALL are men. ALL HOMELESS ARE MEN - or atleast 99%. Just look. In US some are war veterans. Men are the disposable sex!!
The only reason for this is... men do not get r*ped. Period. They can afford to be useless and homeless. Women cannot. Btw, there are quite a lot of homeless women.

What is needed is a change in society. Soch badlo... kind of memes.
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The issue is slightly different, sgars. If either party breaks the promise, the other party is injured. When the man breaks off, it is assumed that he promised to have sex. But it may be that he genuinely found something about the girl that upset him - or he got plain bored with her. So what - he withdrew the consent. Simple.

I want to talk about the double standards of society - where if a girl does it, it is OK. If a guy does it, it is not OK.

Thats all

sex under promise of marriage is not really rape in India, but because the promise of marrying the woman is not being fulfilled, this will only prove that the man never intended to marry the woman. calling off a marriage due to unfavorable circumstances is not a biggie. the guy or the girl can backout anytime without being harassed. the guy/girl have equal rights to change their minds whenever without any explanation .. however a man who has interscourse with woman with whom he has promised marriage can be found guilty for the crime of seduction or rape by deception. sadly, men being seduced by women or raped by women are largely matters of laughter but that's another topic altogether.
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The issue is slightly different, sgars. If either party breaks the promise, the other party is injured. When the man breaks off, it is assumed that he promised to have sex. But it may be that he genuinely found something about the girl that upset him - or he got plain bored with her. So what - he withdrew the consent. Simple.

I want to talk about the double standards of society - where if a girl does it, it is OK. If a guy does it, it is not OK.

Thats all
Well, there are double standards other way too. If a girl sleeps with 10 guys, she is called a slut. If a guy sleeps with 10 girls, he would be called a Casanova.
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Well, there are double standards other way too. If a girl sleeps with 10 guys, she is called a slut. If a guy sleeps with 10 girls, he would be called a Casanova.
sgars, you have raised a very very important issue. This "so called hypocrisy" of men has been talked about a lot. Women and several men have repeated it so often, that we have often come to believe that it is true. But it is a lie. Please understand my logic carefully.

Is it true that if a woman has several male partners she is called a slut and shamed? True

Is it true that if a man has several female partners it is OK? True

Is it hypocrisy? NO NO NO. IT IS NOT.

What is "slutiness" for a woman is "cowardice" for man. A man, if he does not protect women is called a coward and shamed. But not a woman. THAT is the equivalence between men and women. Is a man being called a coward a hypocritical thing? Then almost all women are responsible for it.

Women and men are providing two different things, historically. Men give provision and protection. Women give reproduction and rearing. That is why, a woman can be called a slut and a man a coward, but not the other way round. When you only look at women being called sluts and not men, you are just looking at one side of the equation. In fact, if a man acts cowardly and women call him a coward and he objects, women would call it as a "male ego" and "why should he object, I don't" type of argument.

Therein is the female hypocrisy. A female is called a slut, all women will come and fight. The argument that "you can call me a casanova" would be met with "society is against women."

But change the orientation. When a woman calls a man a "coward", he has to be shamed and do a woman's bidding. He can't object. A woman will use the same argument, "you can call me a coward and I don't mind" as a proof of man' ego. Why is a woman being called a slut and feeling resentful not a symptom of female ego?

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Re: Right to Revoke Consent? Your opinions

echarchans,

I have been accused of being anti-woman in this forum several times. But I am not. I am anti-feminism.

We feel feminism is something new. It is not. There are more than a thousand societies in the past where it had been practiced - and all failed. In fact, whenever a society reaches a level where men, by their work make it safe for women, at that point women come out and talk of feminism. They take charge and society collapses. That happened in Rome, Greece, Magadh, etc.
Nothing wrong - it is a case of Brifault's Law which states that -

"The female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family. Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place."

There are a few corollaries

- Past benefit given by the male is forgotten and has no relation to continued or future association.

- Any agreement where the male provides a current benefit in return for a promise of future association is null and void as soon as the male has provided the benefit

- A promise of future benefit has limited influence on current/future association, with the influence inversely proportionate to the length of time until the benefit will be given and directly proportionate to the degree to which the female trusts the male


Through these posts I will talk about how feminism is destroying us, the possible future, and what we can do NOW
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But change the orientation. When a woman calls a man a "coward", he has to be shamed and do a woman's bidding. He can't object. A woman will use the same argument, "you can call me a coward and I don't mind" as a proof of man' ego. Why is a woman being called a slut and feeling resentful not a symptom of female ego?

Get it?
I disagree with your entire argument here... and here is why. A woman who does not step up to a fight... will also be called a coward. There is no hypocrisy. It is human nature to fight... or to be more exact, put up a fight. A man or woman who does not do this is not human... and thus a coward. And if you want to see on the silver screen a woman who does not give up... and fights, however weak she may be, then just look at the final scenes of the movie, "Jungle".
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The issue is slightly different, sgars. If either party breaks the promise, the other party is injured. When the man breaks off, it is assumed that he promised to have sex. But it may be that he genuinely found something about the girl that upset him - or he got plain bored with her. So what - he withdrew the consent. Simple.

I want to talk about the double standards of society - where if a girl does it, it is OK. If a guy does it, it is not OK.

Thats all
in a backward country like india , the girl has to suffer more due to society's attitude . so law has to be women favouring .
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