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Supreme Court grants bail to former cricketer Sidhu in murder case


PTI | January 12, 2007 | 13:00 IST


Cricketer-turned-politician Navjot Singh Sidhu, who is in Patiala jail, was on Friday granted bail by the Supreme Court, which also sought response from the Punjab government on his plea seeking suspension of his conviction in a road rage case to contest the Amritsar Lok Sabha bypoll.
While granting bail to the 43-year-old former international cricketer, a division bench comprising Justice G P Mathur and Justice L S Panta asked him to furnish a personal bond of Rs 25,000 and surety of like amount before the Chief Judicial Magistrate, Patiala.

The court also admitted his appeal against the conviction and sentence and fixed January 17 to hear his plea seeking stay of the conviction.
Sidhu, who resigned as Bharatiya Janata Party parliamentarian following his conviction and a three-year imprisonment last month for culpable homicide, was sent to Patiala jail after he surrendered to a court in Chandigarh on Thursday.

Sidhu's friend and co-accused Rupinder Singh Sandhu was also granted bail.
The court also admitted the appeal filed by the victim's relative Jaswinder Singh seeking enhancement of the sentence and including the offence of murder under section 302 of the Indian Penal Code.

Senior Advocate Harish Salve, appearing for Sidhu said, it was a clear case of acquittal as held by the trial court and the conviction by the High Court was based on the ground of defective investigation.
However, when the bench said that normally the court does not suspend or stay the conviction, Salve said the High Court verdict was coming in way of political career of the former cricketer.
It was only a case of simple injury and Sidhu could have been let off on probation, he submitted, adding that there was no evidence against him and that the High Court had wrongly concluded that sub-dural hemorrhage resulted in the death of the victim.
The senior advocate said trial court acquittal of Siddhu was based on the pathological report of the victim, which had opined that the man had collapsed due to strain. ?????

However, senior advocate Rakesh Dwivedi, appearing for the complainant refuted the contention and said it was directly a case of homicide as the victim died allegedly of the fist blow and there was no dispute about the incident where Sidhu was present.
He said it was alleged that that the 65-year-old victim was pulled from the car and was inflicted with fist blows. ?????

"As a responsible citizen the accused (Sidhu) should have taken the man to the hospital,"
?he said, countering the argument that his political career was at stake.
However, the court in a lighter vein said: 'at that time he was not a law maker.'

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I think Siddhu will be let off.
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Re: SC grants bail to Sidhu in murder case

If Afzal, convicted of the Parliament attacks, can be spared the death pentalty as its a 'political and minority community' issue, then Siddhu should claim 'minority community' too and get out.
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I think Siddhu will be let off.

Of course he will be. Indian courts and justice are irreparably damaged and misguided. As long as you are rich, or a minority, kill at will.
This is fucking shameful!
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Of course he will be. Indian courts and justice are irreparably damaged and misguided. As long as you are rich, or a minority, kill at will.
This is fucking shameful!
And you have hit that on the nail, Kribahutshana pai. When I read the following article, I had a lot of doubts... there seems to be varied confusion here.

Who is at fault here... which of the highlighted statements is the most shocking... Is Tanganyagi pai right when he says that India consists of a billion dumbfucks following a few thousands of lamefucks

Do we really have special dispensations to break laws... how famous would I have to be to get such a dispensation to murder or rape somebody



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NEW DELHI (Reuters) - An Indian traffic policeman has been transferred for trying to fine one of the country's biggest cricket stars, not realising that celebrities are sometimes above the law, newspapers reported on Friday.

Inspector Saifuddin Ahmed thought he was just doing his job when he stopped an expensive sports car in the eastern city of Ranchi for having dark tinted windows -- an offence in India.

But sitting behind those windows was cricketer Mahendra Singh Dhoni, one of India's hottest celebrities and a hero in his home state of Jharkhand, of which Ranchi is the capital.

Early reports said an unfazed Ahmed insisted Dhoni hand over the 900-rupee fine (10 pounds).

Local police have since back-pedalled, saying Dhoni was allowed to drive on after waving a letter from local authorities giving him special dispensation to break the law.

Ahmed has now been transferred in what is an apparent demotion from the downtown commercial district to a downmarket residential bazaar, the Hindustan Times reported on Friday.

The state's chief minister was reported as saying that celebrities should expect special treatment when it comes to the law, a widely held notion in India's upper echelons.

"The police should be liberal while dealing with persons of his stature," Madhu Koda was quoted as saying by the newspaper.

"What is the harm if a person of his standing uses a car with tinted glass windows?
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And you have hit that on the nail, Kribahutshana pai. When I read the following article, I had a lot of doubts... there seems to be varied confusion here.

Who is at fault here... which of the highlighted statements is the most shocking... Is Tanganyagi pai is right when he says that India consists of a billion dumbfucks following a few thousands of lamefucks

Do we really have special dispensations to break laws... how famous would I have to be to get such a dispensation to murder or rape somebody



Check it out...

What I have learnt from India and USA is this - You have to have loads of money or fame or both to get off anything wrongful. O.J. Simpson got off a murder charge and so did Robert Blake. Both were famous and rich.

In India Sidhu, Salman Khan, Puru Raj Kumar, Sanjay Dutt and many more get off easily because they are either rich or famous or both.
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On Second Thoughts... What would be achieved by jailing Sidhu.. Did he plot and plan and execute a killing ?.. I don't think so.. It was an accident.. from what i understand of the thing.. he banged someone on the head, who had a heart condition and who died as a result of that..

i'm sure it was not premeditated.. and i'm sure the man has suffered enough allready and he doesn't seem to be the serial killer type bad element of the society.. Just a stupid sardar who did something which he surely regrets ??

so i'm all for due process.. but i'm sympathetic to the sidhu cause.. Hota hai - shit happens.. mebbe if sidhu hadn't boinked him in the head, the man would still have had a heart attack and died.. who knows..

fine him or ask him to pay some restitution to the dead man's family or some such and let him go - get on with life..

enough of this legal dissection - there are enough baddies out there to go after and punish.
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Maybe this is what happened... the man got a heart attack and was dying... our sardar thought that he was dead and called the emergency medical line... they asked him to first make sure that the man was not breathing... on which our sardar got a bat and boinked him on the head

But whatever... I agree with Razorsharp pai on this one... if you free a Sanjay Dutt on much more severe crimes... why on Sidhu
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What I have learnt from India and USA is this - You have to have loads of money or fame or both to get off anything wrongful. O.J. Simpson got off a murder charge and so did Robert Blake. Both were famous and rich.

In India Sidhu, Salman Khan, Puru Raj Kumar, Sanjay Dutt and many more get off easily because they are either rich or famous or both.
The difference in the US is that the rich/famous people here higher the best lawyers and use the legal loopholes to get off.

Famous people like Mike Tyson, Jamal Lewis, Martha Stewart and the CEO of Enron have been prosecuted and sent to to jail as their lawyers weren't good enough to get them off.

In India the rich/famous get off by buying people off as the system is completely corrupt.
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On Second Thoughts... What would be achieved by jailing Sidhu.. ....
What a skewed point of view. What is the point in jailing anyone? Why go after Salman Khan? After all he killed a few people while driving drunk, but won't do it again. He killed an endangered antelope, but he won't do that again either. Why jail a rapist, he probably won't rape again. For that matter, why even have statues for manslauhgter...it's not like its intentional.

What would be achieved is a little thing called justice. More importantly, equality! No one should be above the law, but points of view like yours, especially in the case of the rich in India, are common. From idiots like Sanjay Gandhi to Salman Khan; do whatever you want, there is enough complacency in India to go around.

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But whatever... I agree with Razorsharp pai on this one... if you free a Sanjay Dutt on much more severe crimes... why on Sidhu
Then why even have a justice system? Why not just look at everyone's annual income and let those who are rich be above the law. Why not, as a matter of national policy, make the judicial system and justice subjective?

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Then why even have a justice system? Why not just look at everyone's annual income and let those who are rich be above the law. Why not, as a matter of national policy, make the judicial system and justice subjective?
It already is... check with the Chief Minister of Bihar... he has quoted that some people are above the law.
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What a skewed point of view. What is the point in jailing anyone? Why go after Salman Khan? After all he killed a few people while driving drunk, but won't do it again. He killed an endangered antelope, but he won't do that again either. Why jail a rapist, he probably won't rape again. For that matter, why even have statues for manslauhgter...it's not like its intentional.

What would be achieved is a little thing called justice. More importantly, equality! No one should be above the law, but points of view like yours, especially in the case of the rich in India, are common. From idiots like Sanjay Gandhi to Salman Khan; do whatever you want, there is enough complacency in India to go around.



Then why even have a justice system? Why not just look at everyone's annual income and let those who are rich be above the law. Why not, as a matter of national policy, make the judicial system and justice subjective?

Bhai krishna.. thank heavens for our corrupt system. God forbid you end up doing a crime!.. Will it not be better to pay off and get off easily?

Arey baba, in India corruption is the way of life. Do you know that for many years people wishing to have special license plates for vehicles with their choice of numbers used to pay huge sums as bribes to Traffic officers at the RTO. So some years ago, the government said that for getting special plates you have to pay a huge fee and you will get them. Thsi was a good way to get your number and the money to end up in government coffers. But "we are Indians and we are lyke that vonly!" - the officers now demand an "additional" fee on top of this official fee to get you a special license plate!!

Ha ha ha ah ha... Sometimes I thank God for corruption. Like when my father died. I needed about 4 death certificates to submit to banks, lawyers, etc. etc. I went to the office on the 4th or 5th day of my father's death with the hospital paperwork etc. The clerk told me pay 300 rupees and get it done in one day or come after 10 days for the official copies!! Wah wah!! My dear departed father must be blessing the municipal officer from up above on the genious of that man to make money off his death!!

This is India! Even a dead person cannot die peacefully as his family has to bribe the officials to prove legally that he is dead!

And you talk of justice system!! Fuck, for me the lowest point about MERA BHARAT MAHAAN was this incident when I was asked for bribes to get certificates prove that my father was dead!!

So I feel India should remain corrupt and our rupee should never come close to the dollar. After all a ordinary idiot like me will get to flaunt some dollars back home when I bribe the cocksuckers in government offices back home to get my work done!! Ha ha ha ha ha ...
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Very often we get obsessed with celebrity crimes, such as Sidhu or Manu sharma.

My idea is, if a celebrity commits a crime, he/she should be sentence twice as much as basic mortals, or at least punished in public. If you are a celebrity and have killed somebody, you wouldn't go to gallows in private, but in Public. If it is established without doubt, that Sidhu killed someone, he should be hanged in public.
May be this is my bias against celebrities.
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Bhai krishna.. thank heavens for our corrupt system. God forbid you end up doing a crime!.. Will it not be better to pay off and get off easily?

Arey baba, in India corruption is the way of life. Do you know that for many years people wishing to have special license plates for vehicles with their choice of numbers used to pay huge sums as bribes to Traffic officers at the RTO. So some years ago, the government said that for getting special plates you have to pay a huge fee and you will get them. Thsi was a good way to get your number and the money to end up in government coffers. But "we are Indians and we are lyke that vonly!" - the officers now demand an "additional" fee on top of this official fee to get you a special license plate!!

Ha ha ha ah ha... Sometimes I thank God for corruption. Like when my father died. I needed about 4 death certificates to submit to banks, lawyers, etc. etc. I went to the office on the 4th or 5th day of my father's death with the hospital paperwork etc. The clerk told me pay 300 rupees and get it done in one day or come after 10 days for the official copies!! Wah wah!! My dear departed father must be blessing the municipal officer from up above on the genious of that man to make money off his death!!

This is India! Even a dead person cannot die peacefully as his family has to bribe the officials to prove legally that he is dead!

And you talk of justice system!! Fuck, for me the lowest point about MERA BHARAT MAHAAN was this incident when I was asked for bribes to get certificates prove that my father was dead!!

So I feel India should remain corrupt and our rupee should never come close to the dollar. After all a ordinary idiot like me will get to flaunt some dollars back home when I bribe the cocksuckers in government offices back home to get my work done!! Ha ha ha ha ha ...
Yaar, what are you saying? We are sitting in the US quaintly looking at the lack of real judicial expediency and equality in India and laughing. But, there are a billion of our brethren that are being relegated, they have no way of redressing their grievances, are being denied due process, and justice is not being carried out for them.
What are we saying, without being too idealistic? Are we saying it is an inconvenience for us, who can afford justice? But what of the people that are truly denied their fundamental rights? I mean look, this is fucking us all over India..from Kashmir, Manipur, Assam, Bihar, to Kerala. Our democracy does not provide equality in something as basic as dispensation of justice. Now, barring the terrorist element fanned by foreigners, what can we really say to those that have taken up arms because they feel marginalized?
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What a skewed point of view. What is the point in jailing anyone? Why go after Salman Khan? After all he killed a few people while driving drunk, but won't do it again. He killed an endangered antelope, but he won't do that again either. Why jail a rapist, he probably won't rape again. For that matter, why even have statues for manslauhgter...it's not like its intentional.

What would be achieved is a little thing called justice. More importantly, equality! No one should be above the law, but points of view like yours, especially in the case of the rich in India, are common. From idiots like Sanjay Gandhi to Salman Khan; do whatever you want, there is enough complacency in India to go around.



Then why even have a justice system? Why not just look at everyone's annual income and let those who are rich be above the law. Why not, as a matter of national policy, make the judicial system and justice subjective?
OK BAPPO - Hang that sardar by the balls and be done with it.. that guy is too funny anways for his own good.. boinking people aan the head aan the ludhiana patiala highway has become a regular incident these days..

All these mad sardars with kirkat bats and haackey sticks have made life miserable faar people.

I hear you krishna pai - paaint taken - my plea was just a common sense look at the facts and what i felt abt the whole thing.. rather than go 20 years in a judicial system and bail and court and TV - I just wanted a swift delivery of whatever was appropriate and MOVE ON..

rather than have to read about sidhu every 10 yrs aar so.. this doesn't do justice to me, the reader/observer, sidhu or the dead man
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