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While the rest of the world learns that Hitler was a ruthless dictator & was responsible for the genocide of millions, Children in Modi governed Gujarat are taught otherwise.

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Human rights campaigners in India's Gujarat state have condemned school textbooks which they say praise Hitler.

The books are issued by the Hindu nationalist state government. One includes a chapter on the "internal achievements of Nazism". A Jesuit priest and social activist, Cedric Prakash, says the books contain more than 300 factual errors and make little mention of the holocaust.

The Gujarat government has dismissed the charges as baseless. A senior official from the state education department told the BBC that anomalies arose when the book was translated from Gujarati into English, and are being quoted out of context.

Troubled state

The books, used to teach students aged 13 to 15, were introduced last year and have been reissued for the current school year. Father Prakash told AFP news agency: "We first researched the textbooks in 2004 and pointed out some glaringly distorted historical facts to the state education board.

"Despite protests from parents, peace activists and educationists, the updated school books still contain the same objectionable text this academic year." He said it was time to take the matter to court.

In the chapter entitled "Internal achievements of Nazism," one textbook quoted by AFP states: "Hitler lent dignity and prestige to the German government within a short time, establishing a strong administrative set-up."

Communal feelings run high in Gujarat - once the adopted home of Mahatma Gandhi. Religious riots in 2002 officially killed more than 1,000 people, most of them Muslims. Human rights groups place the figure much higher.
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While the rest of the world learns that Hitler was a ruthless dictator & was responsible for the genocide of millions, Children in Modi governed Gujarat are taught otherwise.



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One small question - Hitler , an evil man no doubt, had to have perfect administration procedures and a working chain of command all set up before he went to war. Without this in place, wouldn't it have been difficult for Germany to wage a world wide war?
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About HItler I would say that he was a very good planner for war but he was evil. Had he not been so evil, his war expertise would have been useful to Germany.
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About HItler I would say that he was a very good planner for war but he was evil. Had he not been so evil, his war expertise would have been useful to Germany.
Being well organized & being a good planner for evil & cruel deeds is in no way praiseworthy. Hitler was a iron fisted ruler who might be still admired by some for his determination to conquer, destroy & rule the world. But overall he was evil & his men ran ruthless concentration camps across Europe where millions perished in horrendous conditions.

Eulogizing him this manner that too in school books is not right. Its distressing to read that he's been praised in Indian textbooks. Learning children need to be taught whats good & evil by exemplifying the right personalities.
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Re: Gujarat Textbooks extolling Hitler criticized

why do you think i referred to modi as a chewtiya in an earlier post, much to the distaste of some of my friends here?

eulogising hitler, the biggest mass murderer in history, is sick. really sick. the "problems" in gujrat do not warrant this. no doubt this has been brought to the attention of central government. let's see what they do about it.
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Being well organized & being a good planner for evil & cruel deeds is in no way praiseworthy. Hitler was a iron fisted ruler who might be still admired by some for his determination to conquer, destroy & rule the world. But overall he was evil & his men ran ruthless concentration camps across Europe where millions perished in horrendous conditions.

Eulogizing him this manner that too in school books is not right. Its distressing to read that he's been praised in Indian textbooks. Learning children need to be taught whats good & evil by exemplifying the right personalities.
The fact is that minus the concentration camps and the perverted agenda to kill Jews, Hitler would have still succeeded to conquer what he did and much more. I agree that textbooks need to show Hitler in the right context.

The Central government was quick to compare Modi with Hitler without realising what exactly Hitler did and what Modi's inaction was. In our country its a shame that Mumbai bomb blast case goes on for years and no one in punished. At the same time Godhra is pursued with such vim and vigour. In MUmbai mainly Hindus died and in Godhra Mulsims started it and then HIndus kicked butt, so its time to punish Hindus.

WE have such pervert mentality to blame Hindus for everything.

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I have a bet for of you. I am ready to bet any amount of money that the same history text books in India will never ever mention anything about Osama Bin Laden.


Say 20 years from now, OSama can be included in text books as part of recent history but he will not be. Why?

You all know the reasons
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I have a bet for of you. I am ready to bet any amount of money that the same history text books in India will never ever mention anything about Osama Bin Laden.


Say 20 years from now, OSama can be included in text books as part of recent history but he will not be. Why?

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How much money do you have?
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The Central government was quick to compare Modi with Hitler without realising what exactly Hitler did and what Modi's inaction was. In our country its a shame that Mumbai bomb blast case goes on for years and no one in punished. At the same time Godhra is pursued with such vim and vigour. In MUmbai mainly Hindus died and in Godhra Mulsims started it and then HIndus kicked butt, so its time to punish Hindus.
The central government at the time of Godhra incidence was BJP/NDA. Did they compare Modi with Hitler? I don't recall. I wish they had.

Modi could continue with his inaction only because he had the support of the center - people like Advani, who have bet their political career on the riots and mandir-masjid. However, it was because of Center's apathy towards controlling a riotous situation, instead showing further inaction, that cost them rule at the center.

It is good that BJP is gone and Congress is here. The country, once again, has leaders who can be trusted.
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why do you think i referred to modi as a chewtiya in an earlier post, much to the distaste of some of my friends here?

eulogising hitler, the biggest mass murderer in history, is sick. really sick. the "problems" in gujrat do not warrant this. no doubt this has been brought to the attention of central government. let's see what they do about it.


Why everybody in Media is blaming Narendra Modi for this?
Did he wrote the book?
Did he read the whole book to approve before release? Does he have to?
Does he have time to read every single textbook for all 1-12 th std books?


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Gujarat mai kuchh bhi huaa to Modi is responsible?
Well educated people (especially more than corrupt journalists and politicians and us echarchan) wrote the text books.

And blame Modi?

Did anybody listened to ppl who wrote the text-book?
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Gujarat mai kuchh bhi huaa to Modi is responsible?
No as many seculars here would concur, he will definately be held responsible for everything else except Gujarat's development.

Welcome to the secular school of thought.
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Re: Gujarat Textbooks extolling Hitler criticized

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Why everybody in Media is blaming Narendra Modi for this?
Did he wrote the book?
Did he read the whole book to approve before release? Does he have to?
Does he have time to read every single textbook for all 1-12 th std books?


Hadd ho gayi yaar.....

Gujarat mai kuchh bhi huaa to Modi is responsible?
Well educated people (especially more than corrupt journalists and politicians and us echarchan) wrote the text books.

And blame Modi?

Did anybody listened to ppl who wrote the text-book?
this cannot be something that can be cooked up by a single idiot!!
it has to be approved in a systematic way by the education authorities. the buck stops at the top, not at the bottom. without modi's knowledge and approval, no matter how tacit, such a step could not have been taken by individual teachers.

btw has modi, subsequently to the breaking of this story, come out and said that this is not right and that he condemns it?
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I hate the fact that Hitler associated the Swastika with something evil.
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Gujarat's school text books have seized global attention. Israel & Germany intervene to show the reality behind the World War II holocaust.

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VADODARA, NOVEMBER 10: Appalled that Gujarat’s school textbooks sing praises of Adolf Hitler, the Israeli Embassy plans to communicate its displeasure to the Modi government.

The embassy also plans to enlist the support of Germany which has declared Nazism and Holocaust as the most unfortunate episode in its history.

Israel’s Consul General Daniel Zohar Zonshine, here to inaugurate an exhibition ‘The Courage to Remember: The Holocaust 1933-45’, said that the representation of Hitler in Gujarat’s textbooks was ‘‘misleading’’ and bringing the exhibition here was an effort in educating people about the brutal reality of the Holocaust.

‘‘Personally, I feel offended, and publicly, the representation has caused anger and unhappiness at the twisting of facts,’’ said Zoshine who lost many of his own relatives in the Holocaust.

He declined to give details but confirmed that the initiative to communicate displeasure to the state government was official, and that it would include writing to the state government.

‘‘We are exploring options, coordinating and exchanging views on this,’’ he said. ‘‘It could also be a joint effort with the German embassy.’’

‘‘At a time when even Germans call it the most unfortunate episode in their nation’s history, it’s really bad if Hitler is extolled so far from his land. You just can’t say Hitler was generally good, say with economy and administration, and bad here and there with the Jews and the Holocaust. Gujarat values education, so we decided to contribute our part by putting things in the right perspective,’’ he said.

When his reaction was sought, Gujarat Education Secretary P Paneervel said that they would comment later. According to Zoshine, the fact that United Nations has decided to mark January 27 every year as Holocaust Remembrance Day shows how important it is to remember Hitler’s brutalities.

The exhibition has 40 panels and over 200 photographs collected by Nazi hunter Simon Weisenthal, who died this September 20.

Mum on Holocaust, books praise Hitler

VADODARA: The Gujarat board’s Std IX social studies textbook is silent on the holocaust and glorifies Hitler. ‘‘Hitler adopted aggressive policy and led the Germans towards ardent nationalism... In thinking of Nazism, there is coordination of nationalism and socialism.’’

And the Std X social studies textbook says: ‘‘Hitler lent dignity and prestige to the German government in a short time by establishing a strong administrative set-up.’’ Mentioning holocaust only in passing, it has a subtitle reading ‘Internal Achievements of Nazism.’ ‘‘He (Hitler) adopted a new economic policy and brought prosperity to Germany. He made untiring efforts to make Germany self-reliant within one decade.’’
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