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Old February 26th, 2001, 02:26 PM
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First of all, is Hinduism a religion? I don't think so. Frankly speaking it is nothing but a bundle of perverted customs. I say perverted because there is no other so called religion(????) which authorize supressing people by writing in holy books, adding references in epics (remember Ekalavya in Mahabharat?).

You people are so devided amongst yourselves (caste system) that no power can bring you together. All SC/ST/OBCs will convert to other religion and soon Hinduism will become extinct. Backward classes really constitutes these customs called Hinduism and they are denied basic rights. Good for us.

I will come again to (SH)India and remember this time I will turn whole of your land into a land of believers. I have understood well your weak points and just watch me ripping your so called religion into pieces.



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Old February 26th, 2001, 02:31 PM
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First of all, is Hinduism a religion? I don't think so. Frankly speaking it is nothing but a bundle of perverted customs. I say perverted because there is no other so called religion(????) which authorize supressing people by writing in holy books, adding references in epics (remember Ekalavya in Mahabharat?).

Mohd. Ghauri,

I though Eklavya was SC/ST - backward class - low caste guy. How did he find a place in the MAHA-BHARAT?

Open your minds.

If supression was mandated by the Hindu religion, no one would have ever read about Eklavya.

The Eklavya incident was to prove that one is a Kshatriya by deed, not birth.

How ignorant can you get?

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Old February 26th, 2001, 02:36 PM
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Tera kaam pura kar le!.Aa..Aa..Aaja!!.
If you are a Muslim then let me tell you one thing straight man.

Islam is a set of standards which if stringently followed makes a man a perfect barbarian

Just like that Ghauri!.

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Old February 26th, 2001, 02:44 PM
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Someone please explain this to me. We have so many morons post stuff like this here. "We will come to India and convert all you people". "Mughal raj lana hai".

My question is why. Why do you want to come to India and do anything ?? Are you unhappy with the piece of shit land that you have (Pukistan) ?? Is that it ???

Where does this complex among these Pukis come from ?? Their whole goal in life is to go to India and convert people ?? Why this paranoia ??

I think it is jealousy. They are jealous of the freedom we have. And since they know under their strict shariat laws, they cant have it, they dont want anybody else to enjoy it either.

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Old February 26th, 2001, 02:46 PM
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Old February 26th, 2001, 02:48 PM
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I am not ignorant aryaputra but you are now trying to sugercoat the fact that your barbaric customs which you call a religion (Hinduism) did support suppressing people. No wonder when customs deny rights to 80% of their followers for the benefit of rest 20% such customs can't live long. All those unlucky people need is someone who can show them light and make them responsible for that last day. The day is not too far that those 80% people leave Bhinduism and become believers.
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Does anyone need to explain to this person the concept of suppression ?? Does "Women in Islam" ring a bell ?? Oh no, women are not suppressed. They get to wear that nice big black burkha all day. Thats not suppression. No. They can participate in any sport they want to. They have equal rights as men. Sure.

Again, bhains .. been .. how does that go again ??
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Old February 26th, 2001, 02:57 PM
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Does anyone need to explain to this person the concept of suppression ?? Does "Women in Islam" ring a bell ?? Oh no, women are not suppressed. They get to wear that nice big black burkha all day. Thats not suppression. No. They can participate in any sport they want to. They have equal rights as men. Sure.

Again, bhains .. been .. how does that go again ??
Compare it with your own people carrying your waste on their head (maila or whatever u call it). If they don't do it they will not get food and they will starve to death. Hows is that? Is that what is equality your religion teaches you?
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Old February 26th, 2001, 03:00 PM
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Thats right Ghauri look whats happening now 20% people(Muslims)are screwing up the rest of the country.Man you made a point here!..

Really there is something in Hinduism which has to be gotten rid of immediately that is Excessive Tolerance !

The examples you keep citing us are all prehistoric unfortunately we Hindus dont keep living in the medival era like you Muslims!.These customs are not practiced anymore.
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this fella seems to be yet another Paki asshole.

Ghauri, with 70% reservation for SC/ST who is being denied basic rights you bastard.
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Old February 26th, 2001, 03:16 PM
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True Caste System...
Quake Can't Shake Caste System

By JOSEPH COLEMAN, Associated Press Writer

LAKHOND, India (AP) - The streets are strewn with rubble and house after house is a useless heap of stone. But there's one structure that can't be shaken in India, even by a killer earthquake - the caste system.

The town has six distinct tent camps for the earthquake homeless - all separated by caste or religion. When relief groups showed up to hand out aid, town leaders presented them with six lists of residents: four different Hindu castes, the untouchables - lower even than the formal caste system - and Muslims. All the camps are separate.

With the pattern repeated across the zone in western India ravaged by the Jan. 26 quake, relief groups find themselves wrestling with the country's ingrained social hierarchy to get help to everybody - even untouchables.

``The whole issue of making sure all the castes are included has been a challenge,'' Graham Saunders of Catholic Relief Services said Wednesday as workers handed out buckets, soap and other aid to people in the town.

Officially, India's traditional caste system - a social hierarchy with Brahmans at the top and the so-called ``untouchables'' at the bottom - has been illegal for decades, and discriminating against someone on the basis of caste in employment and housing, for example, can wind up in court. Unofficially, however, the social order in the countryside remains strong, determining how most people live, with whom they marry and socialize.

So while modernization and urbanization have blurred the lines between castes somewhat in the cities, in places like the quake-damaged villages of Gujarat the divisions are clear, and greatly complicate the already enormous challenges of getting relief to victims.

In the aftermath of the disaster, necessities are scarce and everyone is desperate for help. Those at the top of the pecking order use their connections and prestige to get the pick of the goods.

``Whatever the distribution of aid, it first goes to the upper castes,'' said Mayuri Mistry, a Catholic Relief Services worker in Gujarat.

The social hierarchy is only one of the problems with aid distribution. There have been complaints in the quake zone that political connections are playing a big role in determining who gets help.

The needs are overwhelming. The 7.7-magnitude quake killed more than 17,000 and left behind 1 million homeless, according to a United Nations (news - web sites) estimate. More than 60,000 were injured and survivors are in need of medical care, food, water and shelter.

The French group Doctors without Borders has a cultural anthropologist in Bhuj, near the epicenter, to coach workers on how to navigate the region's social landscape.

``Indian villages look like a mess, but you know by the house what caste lives there,'' said Pilar Duch. ``You cannot think that a village is homogeneous. If you don't know that, you can make a mistake.''

Her colleague Olaf Pots spent the day Wednesday moving from village to village northeast of Bhuj, assessing needs and handing out blankets, tarps for tents and water buckets.

But it was more than just a matter of dropping piles of aid off at each village and moving on. First he met with village leaders and figured out how many people lived in the town and what castes were represented.

Then came the hard part: deciding whether to hand over the goods to the top man in the village, distribute them among the leaders of the various castes in the town, or simply go door to door to make sure everyone got their share.

In Gada, a hilltop hamlet, Pots had a lengthy negotiation with village elders, peppering them with questions about the castes there and wringing from them guarantees that they would distribute the aid fairly.

A key to success is making sure there is enough to cover everyone in a village, so there is no fighting over short supplies.

For example, the sub-chief of Gada, Jiva Manda Rabari, assured Pots that he would see that the village's four untouchable families would get their share - provided supplies were sufficient.

``You have to give us enough if you want them to get something,'' he said, adding that he would turn away deliveries that could not provide everyone with some relief.

In some towns, international organizations rely on local groups to police distribution. In nearby Traya, Pots struck a deal with the village elders to let a member of a local women's development group supervise the handing out of blankets, tarps and water bottles.

In Lakhond, the leader of the untouchables there, Ramesh Kumar Hamirbhai, said he had no major problems with the distribution of aid so far, though he said the tradition of separating aid deliveries by caste caused unnecessary complications.

He said he preferred the way some international groups were operating, by gathering everybody in one place and handing out relief one person at a time.

``This is the best system,'' he said. ``This way, each and every person gets help.''

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Peace Ghauri,

Looks like u have to read the bible to bring peace in your life.Understod that you llove your religion but does your religion teach anything about peace and love.With all the posts I have concluded that both muslims and Hindus have no control over what they speak and write.

May Jesus enlighten your souls and restore peace in the world.

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Cool Generalization is the biggest mistake

It is a blunder to think that being a Christian or a Muslim or a Hindu or whatever will help induce morality in you. Morality and Virtue are essentially independent of religion.

Being a christian does not give you an automatic passport to heaven, nor does being a muslim or a hindu. It is morality and virtue which separate the good and the bad.

If there is any Judgment Day (ever), it is not the Christians who go to heaven, nor will it be the Muslims who go to Jannat, nor will it be the Hindus who attain Moksha.

It will be the good and the good alone.

I would like to make it clear that the distinction is always between the good and the bad, of every religion, race and country in this world.

In the midst of the holocaust, it was Schindler who saved Jews. It was a king of Gujarat who allowed the Pharisees room in his state, when they were persecuted by the Khalifs. It was a king of Kerala who allowed Jews (now called the Malabar Jews) to live and mix with his people.

You can never brand all Germans, all Hindus, all Christians, or all whatever to be bad. You can never conclude that all muslims are evil, all christians are evil.

The divine exists. It exists independent of name, form, or religion. It exists everywhere and it will.

Peace can be attained not just by reading the bible. There is no such work which can be proclaimed to be THE book, declaring everything else to be false.

It is not just upto Jesus to enlighten my soul. It is me, myself to realize the essential difference between good and evil, and be good to others inspite of their looks, their beliefs, or anything. Gen. Michael O'Dwyer was a Christian. But that did not make him good. He shot over 1000 "Bloody Browns" at Jalianwala Bagh. Would you declare all Christians to be evil?

Therefore, please discard your prejudices. And do us another favor - do not be so condescending - people can attain peace through paths other than those advocated by you.

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Peace Ghauri,

Looks like u have to read the bible to bring peace in your life.Understod that you llove your religion but does your religion teach anything about peace and love.With all the posts I have concluded that both muslims and Hindus have no control over what they speak and write.

May Jesus enlighten your souls and restore peace in the world.

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Hey why all this fight over religion.And who is this Ms/Mrs Suhasini????Is she a NUN???And who is this Ghauri???Some new barbaric butcher???God dont u guys have better things to talk about than just praise ur own religion????Most of u hindus instaed of just defending ur own religion do something constructive if u really love ur religion.And this NUN named Suhasini ...this is not a place where u can preach christianity and covert a few more poeple.Go some place else.
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