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Old January 13th, 2011, 10:51 PM
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Why are we so poor???

I was looking at percapita income figures for various countries. India seems to be pretty down on the list. We consider China as our rival!!! Its per capita is 3 times that of India. Indonesia, Malaysia, Bhutan are all higher than us.

Why? After 60 + years of indepoendence, why are we still so low on the list. What went wrong? Where did we make a mistake?

Feeling bad about it.
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Old January 13th, 2011, 11:04 PM
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I was looking at percapita income figures for various countries. India seems to be pretty down on the list. We consider China as our rival!!! Its per capita is 3 times that of India. Indonesia, Malaysia, Bhutan are all higher than us.

Why? After 60 + years of indepoendence, why are we still so low on the list. What went wrong? Where did we make a mistake?

Feeling bad about it.
they dont take into account the money in swiss bank and the hard cash being hidden in all the local bank lockers.You consider that ammount and per capita income of India would be highest.
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Old January 13th, 2011, 11:23 PM
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they dont take into account the money in swiss bank and the hard cash being hidden in all the local bank lockers.You consider that ammount and per capita income of India would be highest.
Yaar, I felt shit. It seems that other than a few sectors, we have universally screwed everywhere
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Old January 14th, 2011, 06:04 AM
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Re: Why are we so poor???

the root of this lies in the fact that India has been governed by Congress for the majority of those 60 year. A congress which though shouts its pro-poor slogans at the election time, but does nothing to alleviate their suffering. Current food crisis and governments inability to do anything about it, their attitude of trying to blame the states first and the coalition partners later is a telling example.
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Old January 14th, 2011, 06:07 AM
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Re: Why are we so poor???

I have never been to China. Is it as advanced as it is made out to be, or is it just hot air (like Russia was)?
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Old January 14th, 2011, 06:22 AM
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I have never been to China. Is it as advanced as it is made out to be, or is it just hot air (like Russia was)?
irrespective, you will find chinese are also poor.
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Old January 14th, 2011, 06:50 AM
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Re: Why are we so poor???

We are not considering the largest population's economic condition
The rich became more rich and and other paying for them...
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Old January 14th, 2011, 06:50 AM
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Why are we so poor???
are we? may be not.
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Old January 14th, 2011, 07:46 AM
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Re: Why are we so poor???

There are several reasons for that Shringarey pai.... And the biggest reason for that is poplulation... failing to see the population as a deadweight was Nehru's one of the biggest mistakes... then came ass*ole supremo Sanjay Gandhi, who misused power for forced sterilization in such a way tht till date govt. is afraid to promote sterilization in proactive way.

I just checked the HDI list... China ranks 89 on that...much above us but below countries like Tonga and Fiji...we've just reached the take-off stage of our economic growth and things will change in next 10 years... but this population will still be an albatross around our neck... and the growth will still be a skewed one.
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Re: Why are we so poor???

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I was looking at percapita income figures for various countries. India seems to be pretty down on the list. We consider China as our rival!!! Its per capita is 3 times that of India. Indonesia, Malaysia, Bhutan are all higher than us.

Why? After 60 + years of indepoendence, why are we still so low on the list. What went wrong? Where did we make a mistake?

Feeling bad about it.
I will tell you why you are so poor. Because of Shivaji Maharaj.

Leave the religious angle and marata pride, just the arithmetic part only. Continuation of the mughal empire would have done more good to India. The GDP of mughal empire in 1690s was USD 91 billion. Take a moderate 4% growth to even out the boom/bust cycle of economy, we would have had USD 25 trillion economy today. Whereas with all that Indian shining and long term growth story, GDP was at 1.31 trillion in 2009 and lets say 10% growth (thats 2% more than chiddu can claim), GDP of 2010 should be at 1.44 trillion.

Religion + economics : 2.5% jaziya in a 25 trillion economy is better than 20-30% income tax in a 1.5 trillion economy anyday; but babri masjid would not be a disputed ‘structure’ and no loudspeaker pujapaat and pouring of milk on shivling.

Conclusion : Chartrapati Shivaji Maharaj, who was a nuisance to mughal empire; is the real reason for india’s current poverty.

Now, agree or not, this interpretation is better than oak’s tejomahal (aka tajmahal) wet dream.

For links to check the figures, please google.
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Old January 31st, 2011, 06:58 AM
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I will tell you why you are so poor. Because of Shivaji Maharaj.

Leave the religious angle and marata pride, just the arithmetic part only. Continuation of the mughal empire would have done more good to India. The GDP of mughal empire in 1690s was USD 91 billion. Take a moderate 4% growth to even out the boom/bust cycle of economy, we would have had USD 25 trillion economy today. Whereas with all that Indian shining and long term growth story, GDP was at 1.31 trillion in 2009 and lets say 10% growth (thats 2% more than chiddu can claim), GDP of 2010 should be at 1.44 trillion.

Religion + economics : 2.5% jaziya in a 25 trillion economy is better than 20-30% income tax in a 1.5 trillion economy anyday; but babri masjid would not be a disputed ‘structure’ and no loudspeaker pujapaat and pouring of milk on shivling.

Conclusion : Chartrapati Shivaji Maharaj, who was a nuisance to mughal empire; is the real reason for india’s current poverty.

Now, agree or not, this interpretation is better than oak’s tejomahal (aka tajmahal) wet dream.

For links to check the figures, please google.
the mughal empire's GDP was high because aurangzeb's predecessor akbar had done the smart thing by giving equal rights to hindus in the empire .he banned cow slaughter , banned muslims from marrying hindu women , allowed the hindus to build magnificient temples ,and gave them positions of importance in court and bureaucracy .

it was the hindus who were doing the hard work of taking the mughal empire to prosperity , not the muslims , who remain indulging in coarse violence .

but aurangzeb changed all that by his policies of forcible conversion and temple destruction .

if aurangzeb had not been checked by shivaji , and after shivaji's death , by his successors , and had not the peshwa's and especially mahadji scindia not gone on to rule delhi in the later half of the 18th century , aurangzeb's policies of forcible conversion would have made islam the religion of majority of people in india , for his successors on the mughal throne also were bigots , and would have doubtlessly continued aurangzeb's policies .

and india would have been another pakistan or bangladesh.......a country rapidly going downhill

so shivaji was good .......it was the later mughal empire which was real horror......
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Re: Why are we so poor???

Its the population and black money. Apparently there is a parallel economy running along side the actual/legal publication of the actual GDP.
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I will tell you why you are so poor. Because of Shivaji Maharaj.

Leave the religious angle and marata pride, just the arithmetic part only. Continuation of the mughal empire would have done more good to India. The GDP of mughal empire in 1690s was USD 91 billion. Take a moderate 4% growth to even out the boom/bust cycle of economy, we would have had USD 25 trillion economy today. Whereas with all that Indian shining and long term growth story, GDP was at 1.31 trillion in 2009 and lets say 10% growth (thats 2% more than chiddu can claim), GDP of 2010 should be at 1.44 trillion.

Religion + economics : 2.5% jaziya in a 25 trillion economy is better than 20-30% income tax in a 1.5 trillion economy anyday; but babri masjid would not be a disputed ‘structure’ and no loudspeaker pujapaat and pouring of milk on shivling.

Conclusion : Chartrapati Shivaji Maharaj, who was a nuisance to mughal empire; is the real reason for india’s current poverty.

Now, agree or not, this interpretation is better than oak’s tejomahal (aka tajmahal) wet dream.

For links to check the figures, please google.
No, the correct reason is Islamic invasion of India, shivaji and various other rebels came much later. Mauryan economy was way better than mughal one, the economic structure was much ahead of Roman economic structure it even had concept of private enterprise, control of inflation (as chankya said, to have large army at low price, control food prices) this was due to teachings of economics, mathematics and philosophy of Taxila and Nalanda, Nalanda was demolished by Baktiyar khiliji, because idiot was not knowing how important economics and natural sciences are before demolishing it. And this land would have been better if that bhookha nanga tribe didn’t invade and demolish all rich places like Somnath and universities like Taxila and Nalanda.

Harappan civilization has good connection with the Sumerians, at that time economics would have been even better, this type of theory can go endless, till we reach adam and eve.

Mughal rule was prosperous because of Akbar, remember Todarmal was main finance minister, even the commander of army were hindu rajput, all muslims akbar had was mulla Do pyaja, history writer Fazl and Faizi. Policy of Aurangzeb were against masses, you need proper handling of masses before economics, this is where he failed and started islamization, jiziya free akbar rule was more prosperous than jiziya rule of aurangzeb.


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India is poor because we do not care for the poor.... Successive governments have created situations that favour the urban areas and the elite. Consider the fact that in 60+ years we did not bother to ensure universal primary education. Yet, IITs were opened and other eilte institutes. Of course these are necessary, but we need to care for aam janta as well. Then again more government hospitals and medical schools ought to have been opened, existing ones also are not maintained or run well. Lot of govt money might be siphoned off due to corruption and not being used for the people intended. Farmers land is being taken away at low rates and given to industrialists that pushes these illiterates into destitution.

So, acc to me reasons for poverty - (1) unfair govt policies towards the poor esp farmers (2) corruption by which govt social services that should be rendered to the poor are denied to them.
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