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Old August 16th, 2015, 09:48 PM
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Re: Who is Asaduddin Owaisi ?

Owaisi would not arise if RSS and those who offer it sympathy and empathy even if not wearing khaki knickers, did not exist. Dont like Owaisi? Cleanse India of knicker wallahs and those who have been brainwashed by it.
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Old August 17th, 2015, 08:38 AM
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Owaisi would not arise if RSS and those who offer it sympathy and empathy even if not wearing khaki knickers, did not exist. Dont like Owaisi? Cleanse India of knicker wallahs and those who have been brainwashed by it.
Are you sure? Owaisi is just looking to make his political career by trying to install himself as sole representative of Indian Muslims. Many have tried before, All India Muslim League, Congress, newer ones like TMC, AAP, etc.
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Owaisi would not arise if RSS and those who offer it sympathy and empathy even if not wearing khaki knickers, did not exist. Dont like Owaisi? Cleanse India of knicker wallahs and those who have been brainwashed by it.
So, is Hindu terror the real threat? Just to India or to the globe?
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Re: Who is Asaduddin Owaisi ?

The previous two posts contain claims and queries that are pertinent to my claim that Owaisi popularity is a reaction. I will not waste time on such posts. :-)
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My point was about the subtle differences. One is a religious hereditray venomous side which survives & thrives on top of brain dead people & community. The other side tried to awaken the public ( yeah Hindus) of the dangerous sickularism & took a stand against this spreading cancer.
It appears that your claim is that RSS Knickers are a reaction to Muslim appeasement of Kangress. If so, the claim is not even wrong.

Kangress has appeased Muslims as well as Hindus.
RSS Knickers predate such appeasement.
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Owaisi would not arise if RSS and those who offer it sympathy and empathy even if not wearing khaki knickers, did not exist. Dont like Owaisi? Cleanse India of knicker wallahs and those who have been brainwashed by it.
Conversely, clean India of those brainwashed by Skullcaps and RSS will not exist. BJP had 2 seats in 84. It got pushed up thanks to the Shah Bano case.
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The previous two posts contain claims and queries that are pertinent to my claim that Owaisi popularity is a reaction. I will not waste time on such posts. :-)
misses a not before pertinent.
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Conversely, clean India of those brainwashed by Skullcaps and RSS will not exist. BJP had 2 seats in 84. It got pushed up thanks to the Shah Bano case.
Yes, Shah Bano reversal was a huge mistake, but to attribute 87 seats from 1984 to 1989 to it is a stretch. Hindu fundamentalism and its popularity among a section of the privileged castes predates independence.
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Re: Who is Asaduddin Owaisi ?

OK bogus, every action has a reaction. Islamic invasion of India subcontinent and conversion of significant parts into r-o-p was s reaction of Hindu invasion of Arabia, turkey etc. Minorities vanishing from east & west Pakistan was a reaction of same thing happening in India. Xtian missionaries luring uneducated, poor, downtrodden Hindus into xtianity was a reaction of Hinduism mistreating them. Hence proved that owaisi is a reaction of saffron extremism.
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Yes, Shah Bano reversal was a huge mistake, but to attribute 87 seats from 1984 to 1989 to it is a stretch. Hindu fundamentalism and its popularity among a section of the privileged castes predates independence.
It provided the kickstart. It was followed by Ram janmabhoomi verdict and general disillusionment with Rajiv Gandhi (which also benefitted VP Singh).

Hindu Fundamentalism predates Independence. Muslim Fundamentalism predates British rule.
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Hindu Fundamentalism predates Independence. Muslim Fundamentalism predates British rule.
Well tried.
Muslim fundoos cannot predate Mohammad.
Hindu privileged caste fundoos predate even Christ and Buddha.

Which fundoo came first is not important. Excusing one fundoo by making the claim that he came later exposes lack of commitment to secularism.

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It provided the kickstart. It was followed by Ram janmabhoomi verdict and general disillusionment with Rajiv Gandhi (which also benefitted VP Singh).
Still too simplistic.

Hindu fundoos existed in Kangress at independence. Hence:

1. The surreptitious insertion of cow slaughter ban in directive principles of Constitution - that is appeasement of Hindu privileged castes.

2. Also the 1950 Presidential Order that declares that Ram Chamar (SC, not Sudra, but descendant of untouchable) is not SC if he becomes Peter Chamar or Rahim Chamar. See

http://lawmin.nic.in/ld/subord/rule3a.htm

3. Ban on cow slaughter put in place by several State legislatures under Cong rule.

In 1984, because of extraordinary circumstances, Hindu fundoo vote went to Cong. Hence the two seats for BJP.

Forgetting Hindu appeasement conveniently is the hallmark of the Hindu fundoo who only talks of Muslim appeasement. The secular will talk of both appeasements and condemn both.

A Govt that departs from secularism strengthens both types of fundoos - that is what Kangress did by equal and opportunistic appeasement.

Feku-RSS-BJP is beyond opportunistic appeasement of both. It is programmatic appeasement of one.

The Hindu fundoo virus growth is part of a larger sociological phenomenon. European societies saw similar viruses at similar stages of development. It has to do with economic rise of a lumpen semi-literate class (even though it has degrees) that is conservative, brazenly religious and seeks to impose itself on others. Some members of this class can also manipulate a few keys on a keyboard to produce Ingilis words - that however is not a sign of education.

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Still too simplistic.

Hindu fundoos existed in Kangress at independence. Hence:

In 1984, because of extraordinary circumstances, Hindu fundoo vote went to Cong. Hence the two seats for BJP.
wtf is fundoo?

BJP was formed in 1980, around 84 is when they started the Ram janmabhoomi movement under Advani.

Congress had never had a strong Hindu leader, except may be Dr. Karan Singh but he is too refined for popular politics, also comes from royal family so can accept only very high positions after he was sadr-e-riyasat. They always had a divide and rule strategy by giving reservations and tickets to castes, community, position.
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So, is Hindu terror the real threat? Just to India or to the globe?
It was once threat to SriLanka, but I am not sure if it was Hindu terrorism or Kashmir type demand by Tamils?

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OK bogus, every action has a reaction. Islamic invasion of India subcontinent and conversion of significant parts into r-o-p was s reaction of Hindu invasion of Arabia, turkey etc. Minorities vanishing from east & west Pakistan was a reaction of same thing happening in India. Xtian missionaries luring uneducated, poor, downtrodden Hindus into xtianity was a reaction of Hinduism mistreating them. Hence proved that owaisi is a reaction of saffron extremism.
If I am a downtrodden hindu and a dalit, why shouldn't I chose Jesus as my saviour?

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Re: Who is Asaduddin Owaisi ?

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wtf is fundoo?
Fundamentalist Loony.

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BJP was formed in 1980, around 84 is when they started the Ram janmabhoomi movement under Advani.
And the sun rises in the east. Whats the point?

BJP is new name in 1980 for old Jan Sangh GoMutr (ask me wtf that is, will be happy to write an essay :-))

1984 is when Advani became BJP Chief. In 1984 elections, BJP got 2 seats. In 1989 elections, it got 85 seats (my old fallible memory in a prior post was that it got 89).

It was VHP that made Ram temple noises in the early 80s. Advani took over BJP in 1984, stood for hard Hindutva stand, and joined VHP bandwagon before 1989 elections.

Between 1984 and 1989 Rajiv pandered twice - once each two different communalists - he allowed opening of Babri Masjid for Ram Lalla worship and passed law to reverse Shah Bano verdict. That policy of Sarv Dharm Sam Bhav (recipe for disaster) and Bofors costed him in 1989.

The darling of so called Indian middle classes in 1989 was a VP Singh. When he introduced Mandal, the same Hindu privileged castes threw him out like used condom.
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If I am a downtrodden hindu and a dalit, why shouldn't I chose Jesus as my saviour?

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If that is what please a downtrodden Hindu and a dalit, then they should choose JC, however, they will still be low caste and will visit a church meant for low caste converts.
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