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Old October 28th, 2015, 08:48 AM
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Question Who’s to blame here?

Hi folks…Howdy? Hope everybody’s kushal mangal…

Ok… The news below apparently happened last week in a Miami suburb… An officer notices a car’s door left open & enters the house to notify the residents. The family’s pet dog rushes out excited with no signs of aggression (Barking or growling) .. This cop who’s got his gun ready to fire doesn’t hesitate to pull the trigger & goes on to shoot the two year old pet three times in front of the shocked owner.

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It’s heart-rending to watch the woman owner holding on to her dying dog soaked in blood.

Now is an open car door taken that seriously in the US (Such as a burglary or possible hostage situation)? Or is it a due responsibility of a dog owner to control his/her pet when it comes to cops? In this situation instead of the cop, it could have been a simple visitor or a milkman or anybody else. Surely they wouldn’t have taken this as an assault on them by a dog… There surely wasn’t any reason for the cop to shoot. The Florida cops have defended this trigger happy officer’s actions saying “We don’t have the luxury of hindsight ”


So as per my headline, who’s to blame here?
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Old October 28th, 2015, 09:37 AM
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Re: Who’s to blame here?

It is the owner's duty to keep the dog leashed but outside. If the dog bites or attacks someone, whether inside or outside, it is the owners liability and it is covered by homeowners or renters insurance (dogs with past bite or attack history are excluded though).
In this case, the cop is likely at fault, but it will most likely be a civil case the owner has to file against the police department or the cop.

Though sorry for the dog and its owner, it is an interesting spin for media. In the past few months some cops have been let off after incidents with well... In case this guy gets suspended, some might say, 'What a dog's life is more precious than ...'.
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Old October 28th, 2015, 09:46 AM
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It is the owner's duty to keep the dog leashed but outside. If the dog bites or attacks someone, whether inside or outside, it is the owners liability and it is covered by homeowners or renters insurance (dogs with past bite or attack history are excluded though).
In this case, the cop is likely at fault, but it will most likely be a civil case the owner has to file against the police department or the cop.

Though sorry for the dog and its owner, it is an interesting spin for media. In the past few months some cops have been let off after incidents with well... In case this guy gets suspended, some might say, 'What a dog's life is more precious than ...'.
Hey Cooldude. Glad to see you back.

I think it is clearly the cops fault. Cops have become trigger happy nowadays.

Let's see, what would you say if a neighbor (not a cop, but a civilian) did the same thing? It would have clearly amounted to some sort of criminal penalties. You can't just fire a gun in someone else's property based on a randomly perceived threat.

It's a freakin' dog. It was in its freakin' owner's house. It isn't illegal to have a dog or to keep it unleashed. The owner may not like intruders, which is again not illegal. So there was absolutely no reason to pull a gun and kill the dog.

This is cops gone wild!
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Old October 28th, 2015, 10:13 AM
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Re: Who’s to blame here?

Who's to blame in many such cases of cops pulling out their guns for no apparent reason? Even people have been killed by cops in similar fashion.

There was this bipolar guy holding a screwdriver 10 feet away, and he failed to comply, never attacked the cop or made a threatening gesture, but killed in cold blood in front of his mom who had called the cops to control him. See the video here.

btw, if postmen had guns there would be hardly any dogs alive in the US. Read a report by USPS here.
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Old October 28th, 2015, 12:23 PM
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Hey Cooldude. Glad to see you back.

I think it is clearly the cops fault. Cops have become trigger happy nowadays.

Let's see, what would you say if a neighbor (not a cop, but a civilian) did the same thing? It would have clearly amounted to some sort of criminal penalties. You can't just fire a gun in someone else's property based on a randomly perceived threat.

It's a freakin' dog. It was in its freakin' owner's house. It isn't illegal to have a dog or to keep it unleashed. The owner may not like intruders, which is again not illegal. So there was absolutely no reason to pull a gun and kill the dog.

This is cops gone wild!
Actualy, In India, there is a law against cruelty to animals under which the Pandu could have been tried (another matter, by the time the case reached its End, the pandu will be 20 years past retirement if still alive). But not sure if there is such a law in US or, the Pandu can be tried criminally under which law. Also, for a criminal trial, the evidence has to be much stronger to prove the charges than for a civil trial.
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Old October 28th, 2015, 12:52 PM
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Actualy, In India, there is a law against cruelty to animals under which the Pandu could have been tried (another matter, by the time the case reached its End, the pandu will be 20 years past retirement if still alive). But not sure if there is such a law in US or, the Pandu can be tried criminally under which law. Also, for a criminal trial, the evidence has to be much stronger to prove the charges than for a civil trial.
Pandus having revolver ? Joking Sir?
Inspectors and sub inspectors have revolvers but they can't use it without orders and chances of them working are rare
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Old October 28th, 2015, 01:25 PM
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Pandus having revolver ? Joking Sir?
Inspectors and sub inspectors have revolvers but they can't use it without orders and chances of them working are rare
I use Pandu as a general term for a Cop and that could include an encounter specialist too. It included this Miami ka Pandu too.
Plus to kill a dog, you could just use the Danda that actual Pandus (i.e. constables) carry.
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Re: Who’s to blame here?

Thanks for your replies Sgars, HHMD, Shakti & Swami jee.. HHMD is at is usual best..

The cop is undoubtedly at fault here for his trigger happy attack here. An online petition with over 20,000 signatures has called for his termination:

http://www.news965.com/news/news/loc...t-owner/nn6yw/

In India too, such pet related deaths are not let off lightly. Six years ago a couple travelling by Jet Airways with their two pugs were shocked to find their two pets dead after reaching their destination because the absent minded pilot hadn't switched on the air conditioner in the cargo area. A consumer court later directed Jet Airways to pay Rs. 1.44 lakhs compensation to the couple.

http://www.ibnlive.com/news/india/je...th-389301.html

But what's happened above in FL is clear murder of a harmless pet. The accused cop needs to be penalised severely for his action.
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Re: Who’s to blame here?

A civilian may be barred from entering private property but a cop shall not be. The law & order there is not as confused as India where they will waste time on "did he have the right to enter in the 1st place?". This cop must have known his rights & duties b4 entering itself (unlike a desi cop who might have reached that post hru 'jugaad'). He is empowered to act on suspicuon or perceived risk. That is how 98% crimes are prevented. 1% crimes & 1% unexpected incidents like these are bound to happen.
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Old October 29th, 2015, 07:32 AM
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In India too, such pet related deaths are not let off lightly. Six years ago a couple travelling by Jet Airways with their two pugs were shocked to find their two pets dead after reaching their destination because the absent minded pilot hadn't switched on the air conditioner in the cargo area. A consumer court later directed Jet Airways to pay Rs. 1.44 lakhs compensation to the couple.

http://www.ibnlive.com/news/india/je...th-389301.html

But what's happened above in FL is clear murder of a harmless pet. The accused cop needs to be penalised severely for his action.

Looks like Pilot's lawyer proved that it was due to absent minded ness. Else he should have been tried for cruelty to animals too.
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Re: Who’s to blame here?

Say what? A cop pulled the trigger on a dog for apparently yelping? Strange world we live in. People who are supposed to protect us pull the trigger on us.
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There was a similar case in CA two years ago. But it was clearly the owner's fault who triggered the cops by asking for trouble.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b6e_1372746035

Nonetheless the needless fracas resulted in the death of his loyal Rottweiler.
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Dog owners in the US need to watch out for trigger happy cops. They apparently are abundant. This happened in NY two days ago. (Newslink):

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Re: Who’s to blame here?

In US, the COPs are taught, the safety first and first Q. they asks is, whether the crime/suspect person has any single weapon,.. ( does not matter it’s a simple Philips screw-driver ) Even if you boast it to somebody, that I always keep a machine-gun in my car’s trunk, .. and if that fellow mentioned that to the cop, while complaining about you,… that he was also telling me like this,.. They will take it very seriously and they will come in commando group and knock you down first without a single delay,.. with immediate hand-cuffs and then asking where is that gun that you were telling, you always keep yrsellf equipped with,..

Point is, any Dog obstructing in their raid/duty work, they have all rights to kill absolute ruthlessly. If they come to your house and have knife or even any simple weapon in your hand and even after saying you once, you deny to put it below, they will shoot you, immediately and undoubtedly,….. for sure. They have FULL orders,…

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In any hospitals docs are told, that any injured patient comes in emergency, cut the clothes with a scissors,, and they never care or wait for any expensive clothes to unbutton,. And likewise,.. any loose dog coming in their duty, they just kill it in one second, with not a single second thought.

That’s what American mentality is, even when Bin Laden was to raid, they were told, if and only if,…he is total bare naked, then and then you may try to catch him alive,.. or don’t trust, do not engage with him in any talk,… he may be equipped with gun/bombs 24/7,….. So do not take any chance and just shot him with two shot immediate method of ( one on heart and one on brain – two shots simultaneously, to kill a person fastest way, with no chance of life ) without a single delay,.. and that’s what they exactly did,..



In US, in any COP encounter always follow pin-point to him of any of his instructions without any argument or denial, or they can shoot you without any single chance of talk/communication,... ! Their tolerance is nil, when it comes to their own " safety first !"

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