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Old October 1st, 2016, 12:52 AM
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Right to Revoke Consent? Your opinions

There is much talk now-a-days about the "right to revoke consent". I'll give you a common situation -

There is a guy and a girl. There are having a fling. He has promised her marriage. Then something happens, he backs off. He reneges on the promise. Girl is furious.

Question - Has the boy cheated the girl?

Some thoughts -

If the girl had promised the guy and then had backed out. What then? Would not "people" say that she has a right to choose her partner? That she has a right to be happy? That she can withdraw consent anytime she wants?

Should not the same apply to the boy? Does he not have the right to revoke consent? Does he not have the right to be happy? Does he not have the right to choose his partner? Can he not expect the girl to fade away?

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Old October 1st, 2016, 03:13 AM
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Re: Right to Revoke Consent? Your opinions

Laws are lopsided on women's side, but that is more or less fine. More often women have suffered and being the weaker sex have been taken advantage of.
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Old October 1st, 2016, 06:25 AM
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Re: Right to Revoke Consent? Your opinions

Dear Shaktiman,

You say women have suffered. I do not think so.

If you look at the above case, if the boy backs off you will say the woman is suffering. But if the girl backs off, you will not say man is suffering.

It is this lopsided PERCEPTIONS which make people believe that women have suffered more than men. Women have suffered. No doubt. But men have suffered too. Men have suffered MORE than women.

BTW, I really believe this. I am not arguing for sake of arguing. I thought of this topic after reading AshDoc's review of Pink
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Old October 1st, 2016, 07:41 AM
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Re: Right to Revoke Consent? Your opinions

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There is a guy and a girl. There are having a fling. He has promised her marriage. Then something happens, he backs off. He reneges on the promise. Girl is furious.
The way i read it is, He has promised her marriage basically to have sex. after having sex, he is now done with her and wants to back off. Obviously, the girl is furious, though she may be worse off if such a guy actually marries her.
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Old October 1st, 2016, 08:29 AM
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Re: Right to Revoke Consent? Your opinions

The issue is slightly different, sgars. If either party breaks the promise, the other party is injured. When the man breaks off, it is assumed that he promised to have sex. But it may be that he genuinely found something about the girl that upset him - or he got plain bored with her. So what - he withdrew the consent. Simple.

I want to talk about the double standards of society - where if a girl does it, it is OK. If a guy does it, it is not OK.

Thats all
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Re: Right to Revoke Consent? Your opinions

But Shrigjaarey pai, society has always had double-standards. In fact, the meaning of society is double-standards. And in such societies, laws will always be lop-sided.

For ages, when promises are broken by women, men have taken to alcohol... and fallen down along road-sides and gutters. You tell me, what recourse should a woman take If she indeed takes the same recourse and falls down along a gutter, you think she will be safe and protected and taken to her home... like a man would be
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Re: Right to Revoke Consent? Your opinions

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The issue is slightly different, sgars. If either party breaks the promise, the other party is injured. When the man breaks off, it is assumed that he promised to have sex. But it may be that he genuinely found something about the girl that upset him - or he got plain bored with her. So what - he withdrew the consent. Simple.

I want to talk about the double standards of society - where if a girl does it, it is OK. If a guy does it, it is not OK.

Thats all

sex under promise of marriage is not really rape in India, but because the promise of marrying the woman is not being fulfilled, this will only prove that the man never intended to marry the woman. calling off a marriage due to unfavorable circumstances is not a biggie. the guy or the girl can backout anytime without being harassed. the guy/girl have equal rights to change their minds whenever without any explanation .. however a man who has interscourse with woman with whom he has promised marriage can be found guilty for the crime of seduction or rape by deception. sadly, men being seduced by women or raped by women are largely matters of laughter but that's another topic altogether.
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But Shrigjaarey pai, society has always had double-standards. In fact, the meaning of society is double-standards. And in such societies, laws will always be lop-sided.

For ages, when promises are broken by women, men have taken to alcohol... and fallen down along road-sides and gutters. You tell me, what recourse should a woman take If she indeed takes the same recourse and falls down along a gutter, you think she will be safe and protected and taken to her home... like a man would be
This is another important point you have brought up. He is on the roadside because he is considered useless. Look at the roads and the homeless. See any woman there? ALL are men. ALL HOMELESS ARE MEN - or atleast 99%. Just look. In US some are war veterans. Men are the disposable sex!!
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Re: Right to Revoke Consent? Your opinions

From whatever I have read in the media and seen on TV, at least in the USA, if a man and woman are having consensual sex and during foreplay or at any time if the woman says STOP then the man has to stop else the woman can call it a rape and the man gets screwed by the law.


Is this biased towards women? Yes? Is it right? I dont know because it can go both ways ....
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The issue is slightly different, sgars. If either party breaks the promise, the other party is injured. When the man breaks off, it is assumed that he promised to have sex. But it may be that he genuinely found something about the girl that upset him - or he got plain bored with her. So what - he withdrew the consent. Simple.

I want to talk about the double standards of society - where if a girl does it, it is OK. If a guy does it, it is not OK.

Thats all
Well, there are double standards other way too. If a girl sleeps with 10 guys, she is called a slut. If a guy sleeps with 10 girls, he would be called a Casanova.
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Re: Right to Revoke Consent? Your opinions

No, the boy didnt cheat the girl. Period.
Of course no one will ever look at other reaons. Everyone would believe that he wanted to bed here and hence he promised her marriage and then he backed off. If thats what the reason is, then yes, he cheated but then how does one go about proving it?

I know a lot of women who date men for the sole reason of shopping/outings etc
The man would fall for her but when the time comes, she would happily get married to a man of her parents choice and move overseas. How many times have you heard stories like this? This is also cheating.

When it comes to cheating, I dont think it is gender specific but unfortunately men get to tak the burnt.

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This is another important point you have brought up. He is on the roadside because he is considered useless. Look at the roads and the homeless. See any woman there? ALL are men. ALL HOMELESS ARE MEN - or atleast 99%. Just look. In US some are war veterans. Men are the disposable sex!!
The only reason for this is... men do not get r*ped. Period. They can afford to be useless and homeless. Women cannot. Btw, there are quite a lot of homeless women.

What is needed is a change in society. Soch badlo... kind of memes.
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The only reason for this is... men do not get r*ped. Period. They can afford to be useless and homeless. Women cannot. Btw, there are quite a lot of homeless women.

What is needed is a change in society. Soch badlo... kind of memes.
This is another thing. In the little town i live in (when I say little its around 70,000 population), there are 3 Women's Shelters. Abused but not limited to take shelter there.
I am yet to see a Men's protection shelter. Where do they end up? Roads.
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The man would pretend tofall for her but when the time comes, she would happily get married to a man of her parents choice and move overseas. How many times have you heard stories like this? This is also cheating.

When it comes to cheating, I dont think it is gender specific but unfortunately men get to take the burnt.
Thats win win.

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This is another thing. In the little town i live in (when I say little its around 70,000 population), there are 3 Women's Shelters. Abused but not limited to take shelter there.
I am yet to see a Men's protection shelter. Where do they end up? Roads.
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Re: Right to Revoke Consent? Your opinions

If a woman allows sex if promised marriage, and then complains of rape if the guy breaks off,-------- shouldn't she be liable to be charged with prostitution?
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