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Old October 4th, 2016, 05:51 AM
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Re: Right to Revoke Consent? Your opinions

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If a woman allows sex if promised marriage, and then complains of rape if the guy breaks off,-------- shouldn't she be liable to be charged with prostitution?
if the guy was paying her. yes.
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Old October 5th, 2016, 08:33 AM
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Re: Right to Revoke Consent? Your opinions

Isn't "offer/promise of marriage" form of payment?
That girl is giving sex on 'credit', and expects marriage to be the payment.
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Old October 5th, 2016, 08:42 AM
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Re: Right to Revoke Consent? Your opinions

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Isn't "offer/promise of marriage" form of payment?
That girl is giving sex on 'credit', and expects marriage to be the payment.
I dont think in legal terms it means the same. I think its the exchange of services and cash that determines whether or not its called prostitution.
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Old October 7th, 2016, 05:27 AM
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Well, there are double standards other way too. If a girl sleeps with 10 guys, she is called a slut. If a guy sleeps with 10 girls, he would be called a Casanova.
sgars, you have raised a very very important issue. This "so called hypocrisy" of men has been talked about a lot. Women and several men have repeated it so often, that we have often come to believe that it is true. But it is a lie. Please understand my logic carefully.

Is it true that if a woman has several male partners she is called a slut and shamed? True

Is it true that if a man has several female partners it is OK? True

Is it hypocrisy? NO NO NO. IT IS NOT.

What is "slutiness" for a woman is "cowardice" for man. A man, if he does not protect women is called a coward and shamed. But not a woman. THAT is the equivalence between men and women. Is a man being called a coward a hypocritical thing? Then almost all women are responsible for it.

Women and men are providing two different things, historically. Men give provision and protection. Women give reproduction and rearing. That is why, a woman can be called a slut and a man a coward, but not the other way round. When you only look at women being called sluts and not men, you are just looking at one side of the equation. In fact, if a man acts cowardly and women call him a coward and he objects, women would call it as a "male ego" and "why should he object, I don't" type of argument.

Therein is the female hypocrisy. A female is called a slut, all women will come and fight. The argument that "you can call me a casanova" would be met with "society is against women."

But change the orientation. When a woman calls a man a "coward", he has to be shamed and do a woman's bidding. He can't object. A woman will use the same argument, "you can call me a coward and I don't mind" as a proof of man' ego. Why is a woman being called a slut and feeling resentful not a symptom of female ego?

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Old October 7th, 2016, 05:35 AM
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Re: Right to Revoke Consent? Your opinions

echarchans,

I have been accused of being anti-woman in this forum several times. But I am not. I am anti-feminism.

We feel feminism is something new. It is not. There are more than a thousand societies in the past where it had been practiced - and all failed. In fact, whenever a society reaches a level where men, by their work make it safe for women, at that point women come out and talk of feminism. They take charge and society collapses. That happened in Rome, Greece, Magadh, etc.
Nothing wrong - it is a case of Brifault's Law which states that -

"The female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family. Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place."

There are a few corollaries

- Past benefit given by the male is forgotten and has no relation to continued or future association.

- Any agreement where the male provides a current benefit in return for a promise of future association is null and void as soon as the male has provided the benefit

- A promise of future benefit has limited influence on current/future association, with the influence inversely proportionate to the length of time until the benefit will be given and directly proportionate to the degree to which the female trusts the male


Through these posts I will talk about how feminism is destroying us, the possible future, and what we can do NOW
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Old October 7th, 2016, 06:19 AM
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Re: Right to Revoke Consent? Your opinions

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But change the orientation. When a woman calls a man a "coward", he has to be shamed and do a woman's bidding. He can't object. A woman will use the same argument, "you can call me a coward and I don't mind" as a proof of man' ego. Why is a woman being called a slut and feeling resentful not a symptom of female ego?

Get it?
I disagree with your entire argument here... and here is why. A woman who does not step up to a fight... will also be called a coward. There is no hypocrisy. It is human nature to fight... or to be more exact, put up a fight. A man or woman who does not do this is not human... and thus a coward. And if you want to see on the silver screen a woman who does not give up... and fights, however weak she may be, then just look at the final scenes of the movie, "Jungle".
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Old October 7th, 2016, 06:41 AM
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Re: Right to Revoke Consent? Your opinions

Saneless,

really?

Suppose I and a woman are walking on the road and......

a) A thug comes and attacks a woman and I run
b) A thug comes and attacks me and woman runs

You think the society's response will be the same in bothy cases?
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Re: Right to Revoke Consent? Your opinions

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Saneless,

really?

Suppose I and a woman are walking on the road and......

a) A thug comes and attacks a woman and I run
b) A thug comes and attacks me and woman runs

You think the society's response will be the same in bothy cases?
Hmmm... society. Sorry, my response was with perspective to what I think. Like for example, in the 2 examples you have given... the coward runs. And believe me, that that person running away could be me.

As for society, that is a tough one. Why because society is what it is. It is for the inferiority complex people... who keep saying, log kya kahenge. And this society is always what people in it are. Usually built of inferiority complex people. It is time we start discarding current society... and start building a new one... one based on ego and self-dependency. No more "log kya kahenge" and "society mein rehna hai" kind of gatiya words.

Sorry, I deflect. You continue.
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I dont think in legal terms it means the same. I think its the exchange of services and cash that determines whether or not its called prostitution.

Marriage is legalized prostitution------G.B.Shaw
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Feminism - Sexual Trade Union

Today, in Western societies, marriage means you are letting yourself be socked in family courts. The laws are against you. Please understand the true nature of this - it is a sexual trade union. It is a bunch of people (women) creating a cartel on reproductive abilities. The idea is to increase the price. The belief is that sex is infinitely valuable, and they can ask whatever they want, as long as they control the monopoly. Not true. Cartel can raise prices, but not infinitely. The oil cartel created its own doom. The prices charged are so high that people moved to fracking.

The same thing happened with the trade unions. With laws so lopsided, no one was ready to hire labor. That is the cause of joblessness. What did people who wanted labor do? First, they went to temp workers (prostitution), they went to oversees labor (sex tourism), they went for mechanization (porn and sex dolls). Finally, some also decided to stop producing - no heartaches that way. That too is taking place. Japan is witnessing the phenomenon of vegetarians (sex avoiders) and Western world is witnessing MGTOW (Men going their own way). Google them and see.Just as labor is crying that there are no good jobs, women are crying that "no good guys around". Gayism is spreading. Why f*ck a woman and get caught with rape when you can f^ck a guy? Women have priced themselves out.

This is not the first time it has happened in human history. When Rome had no-fault divorce laws, men ran away and started making holes in trees to have sex. A bachelor does not produce economically as much as a married man. He has no incentive to join the army. Rome started collapsing. They introduced a bachelor tax! This made people run away from Rome, increasing the problems. And when the hordes attacked Rome, there was no one to protect them. Similar thing happened to Greece when they had a bachelor tax

The last time bachelor tax took place was in 1989 in Romania (google it). Men were not marrying because of harsh laws.

The Western Govts would have to do that soon. Men are not working. Without marriage he has no incentive

I await the coming of bachelor tax. It will be named differently. But a tax on unmarried men.

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Re: Feminism - Sexual Trade Union

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Today, in Western societies, marriage means you are letting yourself be socked in family courts. The laws are against you. Please understand the true nature of this - it is a sexual trade union. It is a bunch of people (women) creating a cartel on reproductive abilities. The idea is to increase the price. The belief is that sex is infinitely valuable, and they can ask whatever they want, as long as they control the monopoly. Not true. Cartel can raise prices, but not infinitely. The oil cartel created its own doom. The prices charged are so high that people moved to fracking.

The same thing happened with the trade unions. With laws so lopsided, no one was ready to hire labor. That is the cause of joblessness. What did people who wanted labor do? First, they went to temp workers (prostitution), they went to oversees labor (sex tourism), they went for mechanization (porn and sex dolls). Finally, some also decided to stop producing - no heartaches that way. That too is taking place. Japan is witnessing the phenomenon of vegetarians (sex avoiders) and Western world is witnessing MGTOW (Men going their own way). Google them and see.Just as labor is crying that there are no good jobs, women are crying that "no good guys around". Gayism is spreading. Why f*ck a woman and get caught with rape when you can f^ck a guy? Women have priced themselves out.

This is not the first time it has happened in human history. When Rome had no-fault divorce laws, men ran away and started making holes in trees to have sex. A bachelor does not produce economically as much as a married man. He has no incentive to join the army. Rome started collapsing. They introduced a bachelor tax! This made people run away from Rome, increasing the problems. And when the hordes attacked Rome, there was no one to protect them. Similar thing happened to Greece when they had a bachelor tax

The last time bachelor tax took place was in 1989 in Romania (google it). Men were not marrying because of harsh laws.

The Western Govts would have to do that soon. Men are not working. Without marriage he has no incentive

I await the coming of bachelor tax. It will be named differently. But a tax on unmarried men.
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what a perspective!
But so true,laws are made by married men under the influence of women
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Feminists are making the same mistakes that communists and socialists made years ago. Communist argument was that labor works and entrepreneur only eats. He is a rascal. What does he do? They never recognized a thing called entrepreneurship. But entrepreneurship is necessary. Without it, civilization collapses. That is what has happened in several former Eastern Bloc countries.

The same is happening with feminism. They are asking what is it that a male provides. The answer is husbandship. But like entrepreneurship, husbandship is very subtle and can be easily missed. But without it, society falls.

So what is husbandship? I will give an example. There is an island where there are men and women. They eat nuts, fish and meat. This is their food. It is their primitive economy. Everything is fine. Then come some very clever feminists.

The feminists observe that all the food is mainly nuts and collected by the women. The guys just loaf around. Once in a while he will catch a fish and boast about it. Sometimes he will kill a rabbit and boast about it. A complete "rascal" or so they think. They decide to "liberate the women". Using pressure, men are made "responsible". They are told to stop fishing and catching animals and start collecting nuts. If the men grumble that they are being feminized, they are ridiculed for having a great male ego. Everything is good for the first generation of women. But these women sense that something is missing - they are not able to put their finger on it. They are richer, but unhappier.

Then comes a tragedy. There is a severe famine. Nuts are not to be found. The society starts starving. There was an age old rule in the society - in terms of crisis, the guy HAS to get food. He can fish, hunt, take great risks, do whatever. But he HAS to provide food. All his boasting, catching fish and meat was preparing him for that role. That role is gone. He cannot fish and hunt. He can collect nuts though! But nuts are not available. He has been feminized. Husbandship has vanished from society. The society withers and dies.
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Re: Right to Revoke Consent? Your opinions

Shring Pai, interesting arguments in the last part of thread, but questioning on 2 basic premises you have put up.

1. Right to revoke consent- Is there an 'Obligation not to revoke consent' for men anywhere legally. General rule is, until marriage happens, or in some cases the couple are living together or officially parnters, no strings are attached.

2. You being accused of being anti women - who has accused you?

Else a recent interesting news.
Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led a secret campaign to purge the company of male employees, according to a lawsuit filed in San Jose District Court this week.
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