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Old October 14th, 2016, 05:55 AM
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Re: Right to Revoke Consent? Your opinions

I will tell you things which are happening right before our eyes, but people are unable to see.

First, they had rape shield laws - you cannot confront your accuser - the most fundamental of all rights against tyranny. Then they expanded the meaning of rape - sex under influence of alcohol is rape, but if both have alcohol, the man has committed rape and the woman is the victim, even if it was consensual. Then they changed it to say that if a woman cries rape, it is rape - it is upto the guy to prove if it was not rape. Then they said a woman under alcohol is raped if she has sex, whether the man knew about the alcohol or not. Then they had the concept of marital rape, only at the woman's word. Then they had targets to police stations regarding how many rape convictions are brought per year. Funding depends on meeting those targets. Then they decided that some rapists, who are particularly bad shall be castrated. Then they had targets to castration, after all that showed how women were safe.

It is possible that each of this may be forgiven - but all together? We are seeing a human rights violation of the greatest proportion. But if I point it out, I hate women? Hahahahahahahahahahahaha

Wait. Wait for the details to come out.
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Old October 14th, 2016, 07:59 AM
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Re: Right to Revoke Consent? Your opinions

Rape laws are stacked in favor of the women as they rightfully should be.
Its rape if its not consensual is a universally accepted premise. However a consent which was given when a woman was under the influence and couldn't make an informed choice, I would term it as rape.. Similarly if sex takes place under duress where the lady feels scared to say no due to the man being in a position of authority (boss etc.) is rape.. Also if during the act, if the lady says stop and the partner does not, that would be rape as well...

That said, Retroactive withdrawal of consent when none of the above is applicable is a gray area... I don't think you can have "buyer's remorse" and start demanding that you want your consent back after the act has happened.
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Re: Right to Revoke Consent? Your opinions

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What if the man is under the influence of drink? If a woman has sex with him, has she not committed rape? What if it was under false pretenses - say of marriage?
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Old October 14th, 2016, 11:22 AM
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Re: Right to Revoke Consent? Your opinions

I am Joe Doe. I have a problem. Please help me choose.

I was born in California. When I was about 10 years of age, I started feeling attracted towards a girl in my class. The feeling was strange. My parents understood. They told me about the facts of life. They taught me that I should go to school and get good grades, graduate from a good university, get a good job, have a house. Then and only then can I get a girl.

I got good grades,a good job. But something happened. I am in touch with my seniors. They tell me their experiences. I found that those who have good jobs and marry are soon divorced by their wives. Invariably, the wives get custody of child. Wife tries to extort as much money as she can from him. She uses the kids as a bargaining chip. It lands up so that he has to work like a dog to support a wife and kids who he hardly gets to see. He is a slave for life, risking even prison if he fails to pay.

But there were other seniors who did not have good jobs. They drifted along - Mc Donald server, car cleaner, thrash collector, etc. But when they got kids from their girlfriends, the girlfriends never sued them for support - because he had nothing to give. Rather, they went to the state and got support. They dare not sue their boyfriend, because if they did, state support stops. The children were not used as pawns. The guy could come and visit the children whenever he liked. First, with no antagonism with her ex, she felt it was good for the kids. Secondly, she required his active support to get state funds. He was not staying with her, but drop in now and then. He has humped a lot of girls, got a lot of kids and leading the merry life.

I am at crossroads. I have done some calculations and would now like to come to a decision. What should I do? Get a proper job and get married? I have a 33% chance of a reasonably successful marital life, a 33% chance of being amicably divorced where I pay child support and spousal support ad infinitum, and get to see the kid only 2 hrs every alternate thursday. I have a balance 34% chance of being divorced, not getting to see the kids at all, being made to pay ever increasing support and landing up in jail.

There is another way. I can be a bum. I will not get so much respect. But I will have lots of girlfriends from which I would have lots of kids. I will not be harassed for money, I will be able to visit my kids anytime I want, and stay with any girlfriend when I am financially down or lazy.

Which alternative I should take?. Please help me

Note : This is based on real stories. These are not rare stories, but very very common in the Western World.
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Re: Right to Revoke Consent? Your opinions

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What if the man is under the influence of drink? If a woman has sex with him, has she not committed rape?
I think that's a case of false equivalence on your part.. How many cases do we hear of men being "raped" by women after the men were drugged? However every day we hear of cases where date rape drugs and laced drinks are used to sexually molest women and girls..

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What if it was under false pretenses - say of marriage?
I did not understand your question here.. Are you saying the woman coerced the man to have sex under the false pretense that she would marry him or vice versa?
Either ways, I would not term it as rape but a case of bad judgment and discretion...
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I think that's a case of false equivalence on your part.. How many cases do we hear of men being "raped" by women after the men were drugged? However every day we hear of cases where date rape drugs and laced drinks are used to sexually molest women and girls..

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Old October 14th, 2016, 10:53 PM
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Re: Right to Revoke Consent? Your opinions

28Virgo,

I think that's a case of false equivalence on your part.. How many cases do we hear of men being "raped" by women after the men were drugged? However every day we hear of cases where date rape drugs and laced drinks are used to sexually molest women and girls..


I agree. Yest, you are talking about a completely different issue - spiking of drinks. We are talking of having consensual sex after having voluntary drinks. A man and a woman meet. They may both be drunk, or may drink together. They have sex. The law says -

The woman was drunk. A drunk cannot give consent. Sex was without consent. It was rape. But the man was drunk, what of it? Well, the cruel man got drunk, and raped her. Being drunk cannot be an excuse for raping a woman. These are real stories. The issue is that both are at fault. Why is the guy being jammed?


I did not understand your question here.. Are you saying the woman coerced the man to have sex under the false pretense that she would marry him or vice versa?
Either ways, I would not term it as rape but a case of bad judgment and discretion...


A man and a woman decide to marry. They are engaged. They have sex. They they decide to split. If the woman decides to split, the man can do nothing. It is that she is revoking her right to give consent. If a man decides to split, the woman can say it was sex under false pretenses, and hence rape!!! Huh?


The issue here is that when sex is being had, the feeling is that women are giving something and man is taking something. A woman feels that having sex with a man means she is doing him a favor. That is the fatal flaw. Why? See next post.
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Old October 15th, 2016, 05:18 AM
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Why is women feeling that they are doing men a favor when they have sex a fatal flaw? I'll explain.

I often give the example of socialism because there are a lot of parallels. Labor used to say, "The entrepreneurs are out to screw us. They want to be exploit us, we need laws to protect us. Unfortunately, we are not getting jobs. These rascals are not creating factories and employing us. If they have factories, they use machines. They are exploiting us. We need to see that machines are banned. We have to pass laws forcing them to hire us, or at least pay us if they don't want us. We need laws to see that they don't exploit us, and make us work like dogs." Can you see how ridiculous it was?

The women talk the same way. They say - "The men are out to screw us. They want to be exploit us, we need laws to protect us. Unfortunately, there are not any good guys anymore. Where have the good guys gone? These rascals are not marrying and providing for us. If they want sex, they use porn. They are exploiting us. We need to see that porn is banned. We have to pass laws forcing them to marry us, or at least pay us if they don't want us. We need laws to see that they don't exploit us"

Can you see the parallel? The more they try to harass men, the more the men are running away. The serious problem before western women is that there are no good guys. Ladies, you have killed the beast. Believing that your ability to offer sex was so valuable, you kept on increasing the price tag, till you have priced yourself out of the market. Why would men want to have anything with a Western lady when they have dolls, and each other?

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I pray that you are born a man in your next life and experience women
If you scroll to the beginning of the thread, Aashiji has been quite understanding to Men. There are many like Bill Clinton and now Donald Trump, who experience many women.

Probably, she might pray that you are born as a woman in next birth (in a peaceful country?)
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If they want sex, they use porn. They are exploiting us. We need to see that porn is banned. We have to pass laws forcing them to marry us, or at least pay us if they don't want us. We need laws to see that they don't exploit us"
Who gave you all these ideas.
Only Khaap panchayats or VHP vigilantes on the lookout in parks force marriages.
From what i know in the UK, laws work differently. If a woman is married and has a kid, she gets zilch. If a woman is unmarried and has a kid, she gets 1000 pounds a month (not sure if the same number is valid, i heard it in 2005).
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Re: Right to Revoke Consent? Your opinions

Here, I'll give the economic history of the vanilla bean, and show the parallels to feminism. Vanilla beans are used to make vanilla flavor. It was grown only in Madagascar. It was because a particular local insect would pollinate it. The insect could not live in other climes, and hence vanilla beans did not spread. The Govt of Madagascar took advantage of their monopoly and started having exorbitant export tax - to the tune of several 1000%!!!They felt that they could keep on doing it. That tax was a critical part of their budget.

But men are creative. They were looking for an out. India created an artificial vanilla chemical (vanillin). But we did not get FDA approval. Nevertheless, that vanilla could be used for non food uses like tyres. That took off some of the pressure from the demand for beans. The breakthrough came when Indonesia started growing vanilla. They used spit on their fingers, touched one flower then the next. It was painful pollination. Then they did the same thing using a gun. Productivity improved. Today, they are far more efficient than Madagascar. Madagascar invited trouble by pricing themselves too high.

The same happened with women in ancient Rome. With several anti-male laws, men stopped marrying. They used holes in trees for sex. Then they laced them with opium. This was so powerful, the men preferred the opium laced tree hole to a real woman!!! Even if the laws were revoked, men did not go back. The women were vanillified. Then they had a bachelor tax. Men ran away

The same is happening today. With the harsh anti male laws, men are seeking other sources. They are engaging in video games, porn, sex dolls and internet based haptic devices. All manufactures of dolls realize that theie real competitor is the real woman. So they created STIP - sex toy interoperability protocol. The program used for one toy will work on another! They used lacing - where a large dose of estrogen is pumped. They are making it better than real women. In Japan, rather than visit whore houses, men are visiting doll houses - they have sex with a doll at far HIGHER prices (see google). The women are getting vanillafied!

In France, the women's lobby have passed a law making paternity test illegal. Anyone conducting paternity test faces a year of imprisonment!!! (google it). That is the last straw. Men, knowing the brutality of it all are dropping off and screwing one another. Paris has become the gay capital of the world.

When you see boys playing video games and refusing to grow up (and you call them men-children) , not interested in girls but only porn (and you call them perverts) and interested in each other (and you call them gay), they have just dropped off a system they realize is against them. The women have been vanillified. Now you know where the good guys gone?
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sgars,


Who gave you all these ideas.


Please see here http://www.economist.com/blogs/econo...an-pornography

women in several countries are trying to ban porn and sex dolls.

This is the antiporn lobby here
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...g-pornography/

I'll tell you this, if Hilary Clinton comes to power......
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From what i know in the UK, laws work differently. If a woman is married and has a kid, she gets zilch. If a woman is unmarried and has a kid, she gets 1000 pounds a month (not sure if the same number is valid, i heard it in 2005).

When the state supports her, the state is the husband. Go back to the ancient contract. Man gives provision and protection, woman gives children and cooking. This is the basic contract of human life even before language was invented. Now women want the advantages of the contract - money and protection. But they do not want to give their side of the bargain. So you have a concept of marital rape. You have alimony, making a guy pay for you without giving anything in return (man gives alimony, woman gives nothing). When men wisen up, you force them to pay. How? By having the state interfere. The state is the husband, and collects taxes.

But here is the catch. You can tax only so much. Beyond that you cannot collect. A men realize they don't need or want women, they also realize that they can live on far less. So they work less. Tax collection drops. A lot of people feel that men would always need women. True. But you need just 5% of men to drop out before panic starts. Remember, the Arabs reduced oil production by just 2% to quadruple its price.

What happens then? In Romania, as people started practicing celibacy, they introduce "decreţei 770" (google it) - a tax on the prick they called it - for men who did not marry. It was harsh and very high. But it drove men to work even less.

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Who gave you all these ideas.


Please see here http://www.economist.com/blogs/econo...an-pornography

women in several countries are trying to ban porn and sex dolls.

This is the antiporn lobby here
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...g-pornography/

I'll tell you this, if Hilary Clinton comes to power......
The article is just about Iceland. And there is a Khalistan lobby in Washington too. You can't take these cases to build a general argument "women are banning porn,etc. So that men are forced to have sec with the them".
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The article is just about Iceland. And there is a Khalistan lobby in Washington too. You can't take these cases to build a general argument "women are banning porn,etc. So that men are forced to have sec with the them".
You are right. All I am saying is that porn is emerging as a serious competition to sex with women. Some (note the word 'some') are getting alarmed and want to ban porn. But as the price of cohabitation with the woman skyrockets, more and more people will look at alternatives. The cusp point is probably 10-12% men drop out altogether. That is fast approaching in the Western world. Sit back and enjoy.
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