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Old June 25th, 2010, 10:18 PM
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What if Eklavya had said no?

I was watching Dance India Dance Little Masters episode just now and one of the contestants performed a taandav dance depicting Eklavya's story.

What if Eklavya had said no to Dronacharya and refused to give his right thumb as guru dakshina?
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Re: What if Eklavya had said no?

then no one would have known Eklavya today. He was known for his sacrifice. And even if he would have become more skilled archer than Arjun, there would not have been any mention of him
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Re: What if Eklavya had said no?

Eklavya was smart. He sacrificed his thumb to avoid greater miseries ahead. Had he refused, the political class, regardless of which side they were on, would have found other, worse, more painful pays of putting him down and keeping him there.
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I was watching Dance India Dance Little Masters episode just now and one of the contestants performed a taandav dance depicting Eklavya's story.

What if Eklavya had said no to Dronacharya and refused to give his right thumb as guru dakshina?
Eklavya did a strategic mistake to falsely promote himself as Drona's pupil. In particular, he made an idol of Drona and worshipped him as his Guru and continued practicing. This means he was planning to use Drona as his indirect reference to promote his archery skills at a later date to gain employment. He must have thought that regardless of how great an archer he is by virtue of his practice, he will never have access to some mantra operated divine weaponry. Therefore, he will never be an absolutely best archer. Hence, he will need a reference as a pupil of famous teacher to gain employment as a commander of some troops in some king's army

Drona was quick on his feet. He saw thru the Eklavya's deception and decided to trap him in his own web. If he publicly made him a Guru, it would be hard to just kill him or have him killed. Therefore, he asked for a Guru dakshina so that he could not be a superior archer in conventional archery warfare (note that one cannot use divine weaponry unless the opponent also knows of the same or equivalent demonic weaponry)

If Eklavya had denied...Drona would have used his official powers to punish him for not paying fees....or curse him like Parshuram did to Karna

I know of this because I am Dhuronacharya
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Hence, he will need a reference as a pupil of famous teacher to gain employment as a commander of some troops in some king's army

Drona was quick on his feet. He saw thru the Eklavya's deception and decided to trap him in his own web.
But how can it be called a deception? Dont we all learn from someone so that we find a livelihood?
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But how can it be called a deception? Dont we all learn from someone so that we find a livelihood?
There ain't no thing as free lunch. You have to pay fees and learn from the person first hand to use the name. You can't teach yourself quantum mechanics by reading Feynman's book and then claim that you learnt quantum mechanics from Feynman himself or that you learnt quantum mechanics at Caltech
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But how can it be called a deception? Dont we all learn from someone so that we find a livelihood?
Even though Eklavya was a distant education student, but he has to pay the fee for syllabus and tution; which he wasn't.
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Even though Eklavya was a distant education student, but he has to pay the fee for syllabus and tution; which he wasn't.
He was not distance education student...but rather self taught student who only tried to associate himself with Drona
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Re: What if Eklavya had said no?

Eklavya case was still fine, he cheated but Karna's story is really sad and I am pissed off with Parshuram and Brahmins in general for this. So Selfish .

Karna was bitten by a Poisonous bug ,his thigh was covered with blood,still he didn't cried so that his guru didn't wake up who was sleeping in his lap but tha Asshole Parshuram cursed him as he was kshtriya to forget the knowledge of Brahamastra at the time when he most desperately needs it.

It is like forgetting Java ProgramName before the most important demo .

Because of this selfish nature Brahmins were cursed to be poor despite being knowledgable.
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Eklavya case was still fine, he cheated but Karna's story is really sad and I am pissed off with Parshuram and Brahmins in general for this. So Selfish .

Karna was bitten by a Poisonous bug ,his thigh was covered with blood,still he didn't cried so that his guru didn't wake up who was sleeping in his lap but tha Asshole Parshuram cursed him as he was kshtriya to forget the knowledge of Brahamastra at the time when he most desperately needs it.

It is like forgetting Java ProgramName before the most important demo .

Because of this selfish nature Brahmins were cursed to be poor despite being knowledgable.
And pray tell us who cursed Brahmins....as it is not recorded that Karna ever did
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But how can it be called a deception? Dont we all learn from someone so that we find a livelihood?
What Eklavya did could be called deception, because Dronacharya only took pupils who were Kshatriya and belonged to high class. Remember he refused to teach Karna saying he was not a kshatriya and belonged to lower class.
Also from the history, we know Dronacharya was big when it came to asking for Guru dakshina (made both pandavas and kauravas to defeat his old friend)
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In particular, he made an idol of Drona and worshipped him as his Guru and continued practicing.
It seems fair that Eklavya should have given a sculpture of his thumb and not his own thumb. Afterall he was worshipping the idol of Drona and did not get in-person instructions.
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It seems fair that Eklavya should have given a sculpture of his thumb and not his own thumb. Afterall he was worshipping the idol of Drona and did not get in-person instructions.
You overlook the fact that he tried to associate himself with Drona inappropriately. If Drona told him no, he could have practiced himself....he did not need to make idol of Drona. Of that he paid the price
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