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Old January 25th, 2002, 07:57 AM
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This is picture published in Yahoo daily picture gallery describing as U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan(L) listens to a Kashmiri girl who presented a letter highlighting alleged Indian atrocities in the Kashmir region, after meeting with Pakistan Foreign Minister Abdul Sattar in Islamabad January 24, 2002. Annan is in Islamabad hoping to encourage dialogue between nuclear neighbors India and Pakistan as tension remains high in the disputed Kashmir border. (Mian Bhosad Khursheed/Reuters)

When pakistani so strong in propaganda war at International level, why India always keep mum, Why don’t we raise Atrocities done on Hindus in Kashmir by Pakistani terrorist

We all know, now war fought more on Media then actual fronts, when Pakistani leader don’t leave any opportunity to chant Kashmir on every available forum to make it more internationalize, why don’t Indian govt. atleast Hire some good speaker to do the job.
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This is picture published in Yahoo daily picture gallery describing as U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan(L) listens to a Kashmiri girl who presented a letter highlighting alleged Indian atrocities in the Kashmir region, after meeting with Pakistan Foreign Minister Abdul Sattar in Islamabad January 24, 2002. Annan is in Islamabad hoping to encourage dialogue between nuclear neighbors India and Pakistan as tension remains high in the disputed Kashmir border. (Mian Bhosad Khursheed/Reuters)

When pakistani so strong in propaganda war at International level, why India always keep mum, Why don’t we raise Atrocities done on Hindus in Kashmir by Pakistani terrorist

We all know, now war fought more on Media then actual fronts, when Pakistani leader don’t leave any opportunity to chant Kashmir on every available forum to make it more internationalize, why don’t Indian govt. atleast Hire some good speaker to do the job.
yeh sab karne se pak ko lagta hai ke kashmir le payeega to yeh uski *******bandi hai..
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about media ..well you should see ptv.. how they doctor..edit and present the tapes..old tapes are shown..buildings are shown with bullet holes in walls...kisa ka kata hua sar..aur piche se la illah ill allah..pakistan ke naarey....
our media doenst do this
and it should not...
but it should highlight the real atrocities on the kashmiris

talking about atrocities on hindus i found an article
http://www.kalchakra.org/hindpak%20.html
Plight of Hindus in Pakistan
Kanayalal M. Talreja
Mr. Talreja was born in 1936 at Dist. Sukkur, (Sindh, Pakistan). After the partition of the country, he stayed in Sindh for 17 years, and obtained M.A. degree in English literature from University of Sind in 1962. He was a first position holder upto the University examinations.He was awarded four medals by the Governor of West Pakistan. He launched his career as a primary teacher and reached the position of lecturer in English at Government College Sukkur.He fought dauntlessly for the rights of Hindus in Pakistan, and liberated famous Sadhubella Temple from the grip of Pakistan Government in 1962. In Sindh, he championed the cause of the depressed and down-traded Hindus. He migrated to Bharat in 1964.Following is the account of his years in Pakistan after 1947;

During those days, I saw every where total contempt for Hindu and their gods. Hindus are treated as untouchables and served water or tea in separate glasses and are not to visit Muslim houses. The plight of Hindu girls and women is much worse. They cannot go out freely or fearlessly. They could not go to schools or colleges, as there was a chance of being abducted.

Study of Arabic or Persian is compulsory in all schools and colleges. Study of Islamic religion is compulsory in all schools and colleges. The text-books carry venom and hatred against Hindu and Bharat. Hinduism is berated as an inferior religion and Islam is portrayed as a superior religion in the text-books. Their history books extol Md. Ghazni, Ghori, Babar and Aurangzeb as heroes and run down Rana Sanga, Shivaji and Rana Pratap as cowards. The next books state that the Hindus are not the original sons of Bharat and that they came from outside.

The textbooks highlight the rights of Kashmiris and attack Bharat as the aggressor. The students are brainwashed from the primary classes upwards and are turned into fanatics.

Can any one expect the Pakistanis to ever extend the hand of friendship in the context of this indoctrination?

No job higher than a clerk's post is given to a Hindu. In spite of four medals for securing first position in Four University examinations, and profound scholarship in Arabic, Persian and Urdu I was refused a lecturer's post initially. No Hindu can run a business unless he has a Muslim as a sleeping partner. The Hindu shop-keepers and businessmen must give goods or groceries to Muslims on credit. When the businessmen go to the villages to collect the dues, they are threatened and some times murdered.

Many of the Hindu temples have been desecrated or destroyed or converted into Government offices or godowns. The famous Ram Bagh garden in Karachi has been changed as Azam Bagh. Shraddhananda Park in Sukkur has been changed as Gazi Abdul Rashid Park, after the name of the killer of Swami Shraddhananda. Illegal encroachments on Hindu temples, goshalas and lands, molestation and abduction of Hindu girls, demanding of huge ransoms in kidnap cases and frequent arrests of Hindus on false charges are the order of the day in Pakistan. The population of Hindus which stood at one crore in 1947 has come down to 17 lakhs.

When I came back to Bharat in 1964, I was astonished to find the rights and privileges that the Muslims were enjoying here. There were Muslim Governors, Collectors, I.A.S. Officials, Police Chiefs, Judges, Members of Parliaments and Legislatures, Ministers and so on. After that there have been Muslim Presidents also.

The Muslims have had their rights protected by the Constitution. Hence they have been able to build mosques anywhere and run their religious institutions without any hindrance. They have got the right to teach their religion in schools and colleges, observe their customs and adopt their personal laws. They have the right to start any business including slaughter houses to kill cows, and have now acquired monopoly in many trades. They are able to freely propagate their religion and resort to conversions. They are able to freely propagate their religion and resort to conversions. They are able to buy any property anywhere and own it without any hindrance. The Muslims have been contesting elections as a community and under the flag of the Muslims League which divided the country.

The Muslim population which was around three crores after the partition in 1947 has now gone up to 14 crores.
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Hool pai.. does not matter.. its not like the CIA/UN get the facts from these petitions. If that were the case.. ho gayaa kalyaan. Also, coffee annan is just as useless a statesman as the president of India... just noise noise.. no voice voice..
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Hool pai.. does not matter.. its not like the CIA/UN get the facts from these petitions. If that were the case.. ho gayaa kalyaan. Also, coffee annan is just as useless a statesman as the president of India... just noise noise.. no voice voice..
Agree Pelu pai,

We as an Indian know the truth (or they as an pakistani knows the truth), but a general American (or say any other country citizen), for him this propaganda makes a different, its something they are making a universal awarness for the thing (Indian atrocities) which didnt exist (atleast not that level as they pretend)

Now I bet on it, Mushy baby is coming to USA on Feb 13th, with a bIg Bowl in his hand, and he is going to appear in each American channel and keep putting their point of percepective, its matter a lot for general American, they are changing their views abt Kashmir or say abt India.

What my point is "We dont have a good speaker on International Arena", we do have some old face, who didnt have good communication skill (like Lalit mansingh or some other Indians idiot appear on CNN or FOX, they even dont have sense what they are speaking.
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We all know, now war fought more on Media then actual fronts, when Pakistani leader don’t leave any opportunity to chant Kashmir on every available forum to make it more internationalize, why don’t Indian govt. atleast Hire some good speaker to do the job.
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as regards propoganda war, that is why I say, involve the whole world in the kashmir problem. Force a concurrance in the direction India wants. Then nobody can complain later on.
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Okay here it is :

http://www.dawn.com/2002/01/25/top3.htm

Kashmir body urges Annan to resolve dispute


By Our Staff Reporter

ISLAMABAD, Jan 24: National Kashmir Committee (NKC) has called upon the UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan to undertake the responsibility of peaceful resolution of Kashmir dispute in accordance with the wishes of Kashmiri people as enshrined in different UN Security Council resolutions.

Sardar Mohammad Abdul Qayyum Khan, Chairman of National Kashmir Committee (NKC), accompanied by Dr Attiya Inayatullah and Gohar Ayub Khan, members of the committee, on Thursday called on the UN Secretary-General and handed him over a letter on behalf of the committee, drawing his attention to the UN SC Resolution 1172 passed on June 8, 1998.

The letter, a copy of which was released to the press, read as under:

On behalf of the National Kashmir Committee convened to mobilize support for the inalienable right of self-determination for the people of the State of Jammu and Kashmir, I wish to extend a warm welcome to you for travelling to South Asia with the purpose to defuse tension that has arisen due to India's mobilization of its armed forces on the borders with Pakistan, the Working Boundary and on the Line of Control.

As you are aware, the UN has a special responsibility not only to defuse tensions but also to settle peacefully the Kashmir dispute in accordance with the wishes of the Kashmir people as enshrined in different UN SC Resolutions.

Here, I would also like to draw your attention to the Resolution 1172 of the United Nations Security Council passed on June 8, 1998, which stated the following:

"'Also urge India and Pakistan to resume the dialogue between them on all outstanding issues, particularly all matters pertaining to peace and security in order to remove the tensions between them and to encourage them to find mutually acceptable solution that addressed the root causes of those tensions, including Kashmir.'"

We were heartened by your statement of January 18, 2002, in which you made it clear that: 'The war against terrorism cannot be at the expense of human rights' and that 'human rights, democracy and social justice are the best antidote to terrorism.'

While we appreciate your efforts for de-escalating tension between India and Pakistan and promoting resumption of dialogue between two nuclear armed neighbours, I would like this opportunity to remind you that the issue of peace and security for the one-fifth of humanity which resides in South Asia is inextricably linked with resolution of the root cause of all tension, the un-resolved dispute of Jammu and Kashmir.
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..... involve the whole world in the kashmir problem. Force a concurrance in the direction India wants. Then nobody can complain later on.
involve the whole world?? india does not want any third party involvement on kashmir.

force a concurrance ?? what ?? attack kashmir or kill militants ? or just kill everyone ?
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involve the whole world?? india does not want any third party involvement on kashmir.

force a concurrance ?? what ?? attack kashmir or kill militants ? or just kill everyone ?
India does not want.

But it should.

Force a concurrance that pakistan is the one causing all the problems and then decimate them.
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Force a concurrance that pakistan is the one causing all the problems and then decimate them.
India has been blaming pakistan for everything that happens in kashmir... I mean the PM sneezes and ISI gets the blame. What more assertion do you expect from India on Pakistan behind terrorism in kashmir.
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India has been blaming pakistan for everything that happens in kashmir... I mean the PM sneezes and ISI gets the blame. What more assertion do you expect from India on Pakistan behind terrorism in kashmir.
But till date, India keeps on telling the world that Kashmir is our internal problem. This approach should change.
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India has been blaming pakistan for everything that happens in kashmir... I mean the PM sneezes and ISI gets the blame. What more assertion do you expect from India on Pakistan behind terrorism in kashmir.
Bitch , but if we seriously read that article, how long we keep on hanging this kashmir issue, read this article and let me know your reaction on it.

ANITA PRATAP

I am so glad I am not a Pakistani. If I was, my blood pressure would be shooting higher than the Hatf missiles. I would be a nervous wreck of frustration, fear and resentment. Forget you are an Indian for a moment and just see the play of recent events from the eyes of ordinary Pakistani citizens—not the Pakistani establishment—and you will see what I mean.

Let's take Kashmir. Isn't it common sense that what has remained unsolvable bilaterally for 50 years requires a third party mediator? It's a matter of India's pride to keep mediators out, but pride doesn't stand in the way when they rush to the Americans for help. After all, it was President Clinton who forced the Pakistani troops to retreat from Kargil. And look at the way Indian home and defence ministers rush for talks to Washington. Indians want third party mediation when it suits them, which is to end cross-border terrorism—meaning pressure Pakistan—but don't want it when it involves sitting down to solve the Kashmir problem: meaning don't want to be pressured themselves. When it comes to finding a solution, Kashmir suddenly becomes a shuddh Brahmin of an issue that the world cannot touch. It's an internal matter. End of discussion. Everybody out. Isn't this double standards? Besides, nobody now talks about the cross-border terrorism that India spawned—training and arming the LTTE and the other Tamil militant groups to operate in Sri Lanka. And America, that mother-nation of double standards, sure plays ball with India. They publicly rule out third party mediation even as they are in the midst of mediating to cool down tensions between the two angry neighbours.

And then there is this fracas over whether Kashmir is the core issue. That seems obvious to everyone in the world, but not to the Indians. Wonder how many Indians know what the Sir Creek dispute is all about. Or, how many other issues there are that send the two countries ballistic at regular intervals. In Pakistan, Colin Powell agrees Kashmir is the "central" issue. Then he tight-ropes to New Delhi and toes India's line to say dialogue should be comprehensive. When Americans tour South Asia, they always go to Pakistan first and then to India, where whatever little they've said in Pakistan's favour is quickly torpedoed. And that being the final comment, rules out a Pakistani comeback. Surely Pakistanis must want the Americans to henceforth reverse the order.

Musharraf made important announcements—banning JeM and LeT, freezing their accounts, arresting leaders. Announcements that even Colin Powell pointedly described as "actions" taken by Pakistan. But India announced implacably they'd wait for these announcements to translate into action. Fair enough. But India had also said, for every one step Pakistan takes, India would take two. After all, the first step is an announcement. By their own promise, India should have made two announcements. Instead, India quibbles about the size of the step, that Pakistan should take a long stride while India takes two small steps that may not equal a stride! To ordinary Pakistanis, this only reaffirms the impression that India is a giant trickster.

Adding to all these frustrations is the real fear Pakistanis experience when war clouds gather on the border. After all, India is militarily more powerful. It is much bigger. We take our bigness for granted. It is no big deal. But it matters a great deal to the smaller neighbour. Just seeing India's size on the map is intimidating. This is the reason why Pakistan is obsessed with India and India obsessed with itself. An India on red alert is a fearsome spectre in the eyes of the Pakistanis.

From prime ministers down, Pakistanis have been critical of the ISI control freaks and their dangerous games. If an ISI link is indeed established, then the Calcutta attack only suggests that the ISI has lost control of the jehadis they trained and armed, exactly the way India lost control of the LTTE.The last thing the ISI would want is a terrorist strike aimed at America when the FBI chief is in India. But the jehadi-underworld axis have their own agenda. India is in a mood to punish Pakistan. What if India retaliates after the next terrorist attack? The ISI, mafia dons and jehadis won't suffer. Pakistani citizens will. You see why their blood pressure is rising?

As if all this fear and frustration isn't enough, Pakistanis have to put up with India's patronising attitude. It's typical of Indian double standards that they are so hyper-sensitive and take offence at any American patronising, lecturing or interference vis-a-vis them, while being blissfully unaware of their own pomposity and condescension when talking about Pakistan. His baritone voice dripping with sarcasm, Jaswant Singh says: "It's not as if they (the 20 wanted terrorists in Pakistan) are hiding in caves. There are, alas, no caves in Karachi to hide." Would you blame a Pakistani if he retorted: "Alas, there are no caves in Delhi for you to chase your temple-constructing sants into."

What's perhaps most frustrating for Pakistanis is that somehow India always seems to get its way and have the last word too. So while we are always complaining and nit-picking, we fail to see that our glass is actually half-full. We are not doing too badly. After all, inflation is down to its lowest ever under two per cent and we haven't been plagued by riots. We have a billion mouths to feed and yet there are visible signs of plenty everywhere. It's truly awesome that our shops and wayside stalls are bursting with fruits and vegetables. It's another matter that not many Indians have the purchasing power. But that's the quintessential Indian paradox: India brings both a tear and a smile—a tear for much that is wrong, a smile for much that is wonderful. The trouble is we assume the grass is always greener on the other side. But right now, when you look at Pakistan from India, the only thing that is greener is their flag.

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