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Old October 28th, 2015, 04:13 AM
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"Secular" news thread

This thread is for the "secular" news which does not find mention in mainstream media, print or electronic, because no_need_to_fill_in_the_blanks.

This one is from Mumtaz's Bengal.

Durga pooja "banned" in West Bengal's village.

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एक ओर जहां बंगाल दुर्गा पूजा के अपने त्योहार और उसे मनाने के खास अंदाज के लिए पूरी दुनिया में मशहूर है, वहीं पश्चिम बंगाल के नलहाटी गांव में हिंदू समुदाय के लोग साल 2012 से ही दुर्गापूजा का त्योहार नहीं मना सकते। ऐसा नहीं कि राजधानी कोलकाता से 350 किलोमीटर की दूरी पर स्थित वीरभूम जिले के इस नलहाटी गांव के लोग त्योहार मनाना नहीं चाहते हैं, बल्कि उन्हें इसकी इजाजत ही नहीं दी जाती है।

स्थानीय लोगों ने जिला प्रशासन व संबंधित अधिकारियों से कई बार इस बारे में अनुमति मांगने की कोशिश की, लेकिन अज्ञात कारणों के कारण हर बार उनकी अपील को ठुकरा दिया गया। साल 2012 से यहां के लोग काफी कोशिश करने के बाद भी दुर्गा पूजा का आयोजन नहीं कर पाते हैं। इस मुद्दे को लेकर ट्विटर पर एक जंग छि़ड़ी हुई है। काफी संख्या में लोग ट्वीट कर इस मसले पर अपनी प्रतिक्रिया दे रहे हैं। लोग सवाल उठा रहे हैं कि दादरी कांड और बीफ बैन पर खुलकर बोलने वाली ममता बनर्जी इस मसले को लेकर चुप क्यों हैं?

ट्विटर पर इस मसले को लेकर काफी संख्या में लोग अपनी प्रतिक्रिया दे रहे हैं। #DurgaPujaBan के साथ ट्विटर पर ट्रेंड कर रहा है...
न्यूज एक्स की एक खबर के मुताबिक, स्थानीय हिंदू ग्रामीणों ने ऑन रिकॉर्ड यह दावा किया है कि स्थानीय मुस्लिम समुदाय के लोगों ने हिंदुओं को दुर्गा पूजा का आयोजन करने देने की अनुमति न देने का दबाव बनाया है। प्रशासन का दावा है कि हिंदू समुदाय द्वारा दुर्गा पूजा का आयोजन किए जाने पर पूरे गांव का में तनाव फैल जाएगा और यह शांति-व्यवस्था के लिए एक खतरा है। प्रशासन की इसी आशंका के कारण इस गांव में रहने वाले हिंदू समुदाय के लोग पिछले 4 साल से दुर्गा पूजा का आयोजन नहीं कर पा रहे हैं।

बताया जाता है कि यहां के मुस्लिम समुदाय के लोगों ने स्थानीय प्रशासन से गोहत्या की इजाजत मांगी थी। जब प्रशासन की ओर से उन्हें इसकी अनुमति नहीं मिली तो उन्होंने एक याचिका डालकर प्रशासन से मांग की कि हिंदू समुदाय को भी दुर्गा पूजा का आयोजन करने की अनुमति नहीं दी जाए। दोनों समुदायों के बीच तनाव भड़कने से रोकने के लिए प्रशासन ने एक ओर जहां मुस्लिम समुदाय को गोकशी की अनुमति नहीं दी, वहीं हिंदू समुदाय को भी दुर्गा पूजा का आयोजन करने का अधिकार नहीं दिया।

प्रशासन ने हालांकि इस बारे में आधिकारिक तौर पर कोई बयान नहीं दिया है, लेकिन सूत्रों का कहना है कि गांव में सांप्रदायिक तनाव की स्थिति पनपने से रोकने के लिए ही उन्होंने यह फैसला लिया है। हालांकि गांव के लोगों ने माना है कि उनके गांव में दोनों समुदायों के बीच किसी तरह का कोई तनाव नहीं है। लोगों का आरोप है कि दोनों समुदायों के बीच तनाव भड़कने की संभावना जताते हुए जहां प्रशासन हिंदुओं को दुर्गा पूजा का आयोजन करने की अनुमति नहीं देता, वहीं ग्रामीणों द्वारा अनुमति के लिए भेजे गए आवेदनों का जवाब देते हुुए प्रशासन आधिकारिक तौर पर सांप्रदायिक तनाव के संभावित खतरे का कोई जिक्र नहीं करता है।

इसी गांव में रहने वाले चंदन साहू ने न्यूज एक्स को बताया, 'दिक्कत आ रही है। परमिशन नहीं मिल रहा है। थाना-पुलिस में आवेदन होगा तो हम लोगों को यहां अनुमति देने से खूब अच्छा होता। हमारे यहां के मुस्लिम समाज ने भी आवेदन दिया है कि अगर यहां दुर्गा पूजा होगा तो हम लोगों को भी गोहत्या की इजाजत चाहिए। यहां गांव में लोगों का दुर्गा पूजा में उपवास रहता है। ऐसे में किसी का उपवास है तो उसे अष्टमी के दिन 6 किलोमीटर जाकर अपना उपवास तोड़ना पड़ता है। एक बार जब पूजा हुआ था तो उन्होंने (प्रशासन) ने कहा था कि अगर यहां पूजा होगा तो समुदाय के जितने लोग होंगे उन्हें हम उठाकर ले जाएंगे।'

एक अन्य ग्रामीण परेश पांडे ने बताया, '2012 में जब हमने मूर्ति बनाया तो जैसे पुलिस है, प्रशासन है वहां हम लोग भी आवेदन किए। लाइसेंस पाने के लिए आवेदन किए, लेकिन वे लोग नहीं सुने। हर साल हम दरख्वास्त देते हैं, लेकिन बार-बार आता है वही बात।'

राजनैतिक पार्टियां इस मसले को लेकर एक-दूसरे पर राजनीति करने का आरोप लगा रही हैं। विश्व हिंदू परिषद के प्रमुख प्रवीण तोगड़िया ने कहा है कि यह एक गंभीर मुद्दा है और इसपर जल्दी ही कुछ किए जाने की जरूरत है।

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While the liberals and some top journalists beating their chests day in and day out over various issues such as Beef, Dadri and Dalits and seek to put PM Narendra Modi in the dock, they have maintained a stoic silence over the Durga Puja ban in a West Bengal village.

Around 300 Hindu families have been banned from praying or organising Durga Puja at Nalhati village in Birbhum district of West Bengal for the last three years ever since Mamata Banerjee came to power. The illegal Bangladeshi immigrant Muslims rule the roost in the region. The Muslims in the village claim that they feel offended by Durga Puja.

The matter was first reported by a Bengali newspaper. Later, NewsX TV took up the matter. A village told on camera that police had warned them to comply with the ban or face serious consequences. The Hindu villagers even wrote to the District Magistrate, seeking permission to hold Durga Puja, but in vain.

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@jeetiaf, like you, the peacefuls are 'balancing' beef ban with durga pooja. Why should they allow durga pooja when they are not allowed to do slaughter cow? Even a Vth grader will understand this simple mathematic. But Hindus will never get it.
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This is 3 week old "secular news" from God's own country.

Activist Rahul Easwar attacked over beef at Kerala college

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Kayamkulam, Kerala: Noted activist and author Rahul Easwer was attacked by a group of students at a college in Kayamkulam over his pro-beef ban remarks.


The incident occurred at Milad-E-Sherief Memorial (MSM) College where Rahul was invited as a guest speaker on cyber security.

The event went off peacefully but when he got into his car to go out of the college premises a group of students (and, possibly outsiders) surrounded his vehicle and shouted slogans against him.

They wanted him to take back his comments against beef.

Soon, the situation turned for the worse, leading to his car being attacked.

Shocked over the incident Rahul tweeted:

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I am shocked and scared.. can one not live in Kerala without supporting Beef Festival ??

— Rahul Easwar (@RahulEaswar) October 8, 2015

Attack on me & Car got smashed..raising slogans for Beef Festival in Kerala. DYSP Police registers FIR pic.twitter.com/GuOXYaVBjP

— Rahul Easwar (@RahulEaswar) October 8, 2015
Rahul later said that there was no communal angle to incident, adding that the college management stood in his support and has promised action against the guilty.
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Is this thread only for news in India or can it include news from around the world If so then there is a situation happening in Aceh, Indonesia that is a fixed-format template for the modus-operandi of the religion of peace... perfectly scripted and a predictable forecast of what will happen if Kashmir in India is given similar freedom.

They will ask, plead, whine, terrorize (note, not the entire community has to terrorize, just a handful... maybe even one or two people is all that is needed. And this is exactly what has happened in Aceh). And eventually get what they want because the host country is tired of this constant nagging... and think they will now get some peace. But it never stops... once they get what they want they then start their normal activities... of eliminating the minority. And then ask for more... and this goes on and on and on...

Could it be possible that the "secular" people are complete idiots

Here's just a few excerpts... tell me where else have you heard or seen this

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Indonesia's Aceh province enacts enforcement of Islamic sharia criminal code

Indonesia's conservative Aceh province has fully enacted a strict Islamic criminal code, local government officials say, criminalising drinking alcohol, adultery, homosexuality, and public displays of affection outside of a legally recognised relationship.

To punish anyone who has had consensual sex with up to 100 lashes is despicable.
Amnesty International's South-East Asia campaigns director Josef Benedict
The law, passed in 2014 but is only now being fully enforced, "is to safeguard human dignity", said the head of the sharia legal department in the provincial government, Syahrizal Abbas.

"It is to protect Aceh's Muslims from committing immoral acts ," he said.

Aceh is the only province in the Muslim-dominated country to adhere to sharia, Islamic law, which puts it at odds with other provinces where the vast majority of the population practices a moderate form of Islam.
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Religious violence flares in Indonesia as mob torches Aceh church

Indonesia is struggling to live up to its national motto “unity in diversity” after a mob attack on a church left one dead and the authorities responded by demolishing more churches.

The attack took place in the conservative province of Aceh, the only region in Indonesia that has sharia law and where religious tension has been brewing for months.

A mob wielding sharp weapons torched the small Protestant church in the district of Aceh Singkil last week, saying it lacked an official permit. One Muslim vigilante was shot dead in the attack, while thousands of Christians fled to a neighbouring province.
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Why Seculars-Congi's-Award Wipisi-Darbaari-Authors not supporting Sikhs ?

Sikh's are waiting for Justice so long - but no word from these Kaangress-bhakt pseudo seculars/Award wapisi gang & film makers in their support
Is Pseudo-secular support reserved only for two other minorities (muslims & Xtians)?

Those Congi's involved in the crime against Sikh's must be punished ASAP- otherwise don't blame that hindu's getting nationalist/ intolerant
siks waited more than enough for Justice


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Is this thread only for news in India or can it include news from around the world
Any "secular" news is welcome.
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came across this while googling for another thread. This one wont make it to secular MSM news. But, some Hindutva guys may also be shy of it.
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@jeetiaf, like you, the peacefuls are 'balancing' beef ban with durga pooja. Why should they allow durga pooja when they are not allowed to do slaughter cow? Even a Vth grader will understand this simple mathematic. But Hindus will never get it.
Things are never wrong in relation to something, things are wrong in principal, like murder can never be wrong, Judicial killing is okay.
Not allowing Durga pooja is wrong and so is cow slaughter, but to hate a delhi-muslim for crimes of Bengali is bigotry.
Like a random Bihari hating anything Marathi.

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why Sikhs are constantly referring to Hindu Gods in there scriptures? Shiva, Ram, etc

I ask one Sikh just to mess with him, he says, these are not the Hindu Gods, we have different Shiva, Ram, etc.
Yes it is different, Sikhism Shiva, ram, rabb is formless expression of God instead of personified god of Hinduism.

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Things are never wrong in relation to something, things are wrong in principal, like murder can never be wrong, Judicial killing is okay.

Not allowing Durga pooja is wrong and so is cow slaughter, but to hate a delhi-muslim for crimes of Bengali is bigotry.

Like a random Bihari hating anything Marathi.


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Let me explain once again. Not allowing Durga pooja IN INDIA BY PEACEFULS is not just wrong, its cowardice of Hindus & typical of peacefuls (when they have enough numbers on their side). Don't balance all the time when a MAJOR balance was done once. Remember the monkey, cats & roti story? Kaath ki handi, baar baar nahi chadti.


Next, peacefuls have the concept of ummah. Is it a kafir conspiracy? As per ROP, there are two types of people - peacefuls & 'others'. Peacefuls demonstrate & depict certain common characteristics also (one of them is dodging & swinging anywhichway). So why is it wrong to look at them from one perspective to certain extent? Its divinely foretold that one peaceful is brother of another, isn't it? Dont balance it with bihars & marathis looking at each other with preconceived notions. Because neither all biharis nor all marathis are divinely declared brothers. And if peacefuls are as diverse & varied & accepting as any other community or nationality, may be the "brother sans borders" lines from book of peace should be deleted. Can that be done? Don't swing both ways like a typical peaceful.
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From Twitter.. Compiled by @pchaturved

#Intolerance

Yes Intolerance is growing in India and here are a few reasons to support my argument,

• Not one communal riot in the country in the last 16 months, shame on this government against which the liberals campaigned that all hell will break loose.
• Not one terror attack in a country where we had this as a regular happening, how intolerant
• Indian army gets into Mynamar and kills terrorists, how dare you hunt down terrorist.
• India catches a terrorist who has been running from law for 20 plus years, shocking example of Intolerance.
• India doing well on “Ease of Business” how dare we dream of making the transition from a developing nation to developed nation
• Growth on a higher trajectory, how dare India overtake Chinese !!
• Inflation is down to single digit, how very intolerant to control prices by raiding the warehouses of hoarders and seizing pulses.
• FDI is rising, how intolerant and stupid can investors be to invest on the call of a chaiwala !!
• India is being recognized on the world platform and gets appreciated for its help to neighbours, how intolerant that Modi helped Nepal, Malaysia.
• India stands up to Pakistan and China
• India successfully evacuated scores of people of other nations from war-zone area, how intolerant!!
• India is very close to get the Permanent membership of UNSC, what else could be another example of the third world country dreaming of sitting with the developed nations.
• Crores of unwashed masses have been covered by Insurance, isn’t this Intolerance!!
• Lakhs of small investors have got loans under MUDRA, those who depended on doles are getting self-sufficient isn’t this intolerance.
• Lakhs of people have voluntarily given up LPG Subsidy, unheard of in a country where people want a government school, government hospital and government job, isn’t this intolerance !!
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#Intolerance

Yes Intolerance is growing in India and here are a few reasons to support my argument,

• Not one communal riot in the country in the last 16 months, shame on this government against which the liberals campaigned that all hell will break loose.
• Not one terror attack in a country where we had this as a regular happening, how intolerant
• Indian army gets into Mynamar and kills terrorists, how dare you hunt down terrorist.
• India catches a terrorist who has been running from law for 20 plus years, shocking example of Intolerance.
• India doing well on “Ease of Business” how dare we dream of making the transition from a developing nation to developed nation
• Growth on a higher trajectory, how dare India overtake Chinese !!
• Inflation is down to single digit, how very intolerant to control prices by raiding the warehouses of hoarders and seizing pulses.
• FDI is rising, how intolerant and stupid can investors be to invest on the call of a chaiwala !!
• India is being recognized on the world platform and gets appreciated for its help to neighbours, how intolerant that Modi helped Nepal, Malaysia.
• India stands up to Pakistan and China
• India successfully evacuated scores of people of other nations from war-zone area, how intolerant!!
• India is very close to get the Permanent membership of UNSC, what else could be another example of the third world country dreaming of sitting with the developed nations.
• Crores of unwashed masses have been covered by Insurance, isn’t this Intolerance!!
• Lakhs of small investors have got loans under MUDRA, those who depended on doles are getting self-sufficient isn’t this intolerance.
• Lakhs of people have voluntarily given up LPG Subsidy, unheard of in a country where people want a government school, government hospital and government job, isn’t this intolerance !!
There are hardly any voters here, we can act NORMAL here
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From Twitter.. Compiled by @pchaturved

#Intolerance

Yes Intolerance is growing in India and here are a few reasons to support my argument,

• Not one communal riot in the country in the last 16 months, shame on this government against which the liberals campaigned that all hell will break loose.
• Not one terror attack in a country where we had this as a regular happening, how intolerant
• Indian army gets into Mynamar and kills terrorists, how dare you hunt down terrorist.
• India catches a terrorist who has been running from law for 20 plus years, shocking example of Intolerance.
• India doing well on “Ease of Business” how dare we dream of making the transition from a developing nation to developed nation
• Growth on a higher trajectory, how dare India overtake Chinese !!
• Inflation is down to single digit, how very intolerant to control prices by raiding the warehouses of hoarders and seizing pulses.
• FDI is rising, how intolerant and stupid can investors be to invest on the call of a chaiwala !!
• India is being recognized on the world platform and gets appreciated for its help to neighbours, how intolerant that Modi helped Nepal, Malaysia.
• India stands up to Pakistan and China
• India successfully evacuated scores of people of other nations from war-zone area, how intolerant!!
• India is very close to get the Permanent membership of UNSC, what else could be another example of the third world country dreaming of sitting with the developed nations.
• Crores of unwashed masses have been covered by Insurance, isn’t this Intolerance!!

• Lakhs of small investors have got loans under MUDRA, those who depended on doles are getting self-sufficient isn’t this intolerance.
• Lakhs of people have voluntarily given up LPG Subsidy, unheard of in a country where people want a government school, government hospital and government job, isn’t this intolerance !!
The last 2 i have put on bold sound exaggerated. Any sources for that.
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Let me explain once again. Not allowing Durga pooja IN INDIA BY PEACEFULS is not just wrong, its cowardice of Hindus & typical of peacefuls (when they have enough numbers on their side). Don't balance all the time when a MAJOR balance was done once. Rememeber the monkey, cats & roti story? Kaath ki handi, baar baar nahi chadti.
The idea of Cowardice is always accepted with idea of Honour and Honour killing, Honour is peasant idea, it is prevalent in society which has no faith in law or no recourse to law. This honour is always part of tribal societies with tribal sense of justice. Subscribing to such ideas will never lead to progressive society ever.


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Next, peacefuls have the concept of ummah. Is it a kafir conspiracy? As per ROP, there are two types of people - peacefuls & 'others'. Peacefuls demonstrate & depict certain common characteristics also (one of them is dodging & swinging anywhichway). So why is it wrong to look at them from one perspective to certain extent? Its divinely foretold that one peaceful is brother of another, isn't it? Dont balance it with bihars & marathis looking at each other with preconceived notions. Because neither all biharis nor all marathis are divinely declared brothers. And if peacefuls are as diverse & varied & accepting as any other community or nationality, may be the "brother sans borders" lines from book of peace should be deleted. Can that be done? Don't swing both ways like a typical peaceful.
Having certain ideas theologically present doesn't mean they exist in reality. Even Hindu caste system is Work based though it is Birth-based.
Ummah never existed after Prophet(pbuh) death. This brother sans border even if present doesn't mean anything. Punjabi and Bengalis are not brothers , nor is Arabs and Persian, nor are Arabs and Turks nor are Turks and Kurds.

Painting every person belonging to a faith in same colour is bigotry and if institutionalized it is outright racism. Even in Hindus all Brahmins of same gothra are brother conceptually but that doesn't mean all of them react similarly in any given situation.

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.Yes it is different, Sikhism Shiva, ram, rabb is formless expression of God instead of personified god of Hinduism.

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This explanation doesn't cut it. Baba Nanak, Guru Govind Singh and others are not formless. Sorry I know enough about Sikhism that you can't take me for a ride. Sikh double standards are for everyone to see. Who was Nanak praying to? Now conveniently modern Sikhs (evolved religion) can say whatever. No other religions have gurus like royalty generation to generation.

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