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Old February 20th, 2002, 12:49 PM
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Aur Kitne Pakistan: Book Review.

By Hindi writer Kamleshwar:excerpts....Babri masjid was not built by Babar!!! he never visited Ayodhya.Babri Mosque was built by Ibrahim lodhi who's grand mother was a Hindu.The Mosque was comenced at 17 Sept 1523 and completed 10 Sept 1524.Babar never visited ayodya...it was infact British trick of divide and rule that opened that chapter Thre pages of Babarnama were torn from 1524 to 1528 where it was mentioned that Babar visited Avadh...which was twisted to Ayodhya by a British Historian and wrote at Gazette that One lakh Hindus opposed the Mosque..but same can be found out that even in 18th century popolation of Ayodhya was around 10000......some claim that hindu structure were found after mosque demolition...but those were Budhist structures....actually a Budhist monastries ruins were near a camping site of the army of Ibrahim Lodhi...the soldiers used to offer Namaz nearby..slowly they used the stones of the ruins to form a mosque..which was properly made by Lodhi....its that simple and eventful.....even the Hindus and Muslims were at peace till late 19th century...then all hell break loose..just British propoganda now utilized by our beloved "patriots" back home!!!

The mosque is so far from real population that only soldiers used it....no where a Hindu temple was in the vicinity only a budhist ruin...

here goes...awaiting the RSS Historian's version
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DATELINE:Babri Masjid / Ram-Janam-Bhoomi Dispute

5,000 to 800,000
According to Hindu belief, sometime in ancient antiquity, their god/king Sri Rama, an Aryan prince and main character of the epic poem Ramayana, is born. No ancient accounts associate Sri Rama's birth to modem Ayodhya, India.

2500 B.C.
Indus Valley civilization (pre-Aryan) flourishes in Indus basin.

1500 B.C.
Aryans invade India, Dravidian civilization of Indus valley destroyed.

800-600 B.C.
Aryan culture takes shape in Gangetic plains of North India. Rise of caste system, Vedic literature flourishes, no mention of Rama.

400-500 B.C.
Valmiki writes Sanskrit Ramayana with Rama as an ideal human hero, embodiment of chivalry, loyalty, patience and justice.

1517 C.E.
Babar invades India, no historical evidence of him ever being in Ayodhya.

1528-29 C.E.
Mir Baqi, a Mughal governor, builds the Mosque in honor of Babar. No account of destruction of any Hindu temple or association of Rama with the site in all Medieval literature.

1534-1623 C.E.
Tulsi Das writes popular Hindi version of Ramayana, Ram Charit Manas. Sri Ram is raised to the status of full deity, an Avatar (incarnation) of Hindu God Vishnu. Tulsi Das never mentions association of Babri Masjid in Ayodhya with Ram-Janambhoomi.

1759-60 C.E.
Raj Chaturman in his Chahar Gulshan (Four Gardens) first mentions of modern Ayodhya as a possible place of Sri Rama's birth, but no association of Babri Masjid with it.

1788 C.E.
Jesuit priest Joseph Tieffenthaler suggests the birth of Rama is believed to be in the vicinity of the Masjid. First mention of Masjid as possible place of birth, offers no reference or evidence. Several places in Ayodhya claimed to be Rama's place of birth.

Dec. 22, 1949
A statute of Sri Rama appears in the Mosque at night. Hindus call it a miracle. Report to police by the Mu'adhadhin. The Masjid is declared by the District Magistrate as a disputed property and is closed to Muslims.

Jan. 5, 1950
According to 145 Criminal Procedure code, the Magistrate K.K. Nair 'attaches' the Masjid, locking the doors and appointing Ayodhya Municipal Corporation as a 'Receiver.' Nair (a Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) sympathizer and later MP on the Jan Sangh ticket) gives Hindus permission to worship and take care of their deity. Muslims forbidden to get closer than 300 yards to their own Masjid.

Feb. 1, 1986
Acting on the petition of U.C. Pandey, on behalf of Hindus to be able to perform public worship, Mr. K.M. Pandey the district judge, on recommendation of Mr. T. K. Pandey, the District Magistrate, grants Hindus the permission for general worship (without regard to the Muslims opinion). In full glare of media and publicity the Masjid is handed over to Hindus. Proceedings televised to mobilize Hindu public opinion in favor of Congress government. It is rumored that Rajiv Gandhi backed the action to win back Hindu support for Congress. Conflicts flare between Muslims and Hindus. Babri Masjid Action Committee (BMAC) formed to claim Masjid back through legal process. Long arduous legal and political battles ensue.

Nov. 11, 1986
The Bharatya Janata Party (BJP) - Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) coalition lays foundation stone (Shilanyas) for temple on adjoining land claimed by Muslims as part of Waqf (Islamic trust). Bloody 'Rath Yatra' fuels hatred, incites anti-Muslim sentiments and provokes wide spread riots claiming 2000 lives. Dispute is pending before the High Court and the Supreme Court, both want status quo. Muslims declare their willingness to accept the decision of the highest court of India.

Oct. 7 1991
BJP government of Uttar Pradesh (UP) expropriates 2.77 acres of Muslim waqf land adjoining the Masjid and starts construction. Chief Minister Kalyan Singh, ignores many directives of the Supreme Court to stop the work.

July 23, 1992
Prime Minister comes to agreement with Sadhus (Hindu holy men) to stop construction to enable him to find a solution. Chief Minister of UP assures status quo and protection of Masjid.

Nov. 28, 1992
L. K. Advani, the BJP leader, asserts that work on construction of temple would continue irrespective of Supreme Court decision.

Dec. 6, 1992
BJP, VHP, and RSS decide for Kar Seva, 300,000 holy men and volunteers gather for Kar Seva. Police do not intervene. Babri Masjid, a place of Muslim Worship and a monument of history destroyed brick by brick.

Would it be the last of the acts of Hindu extremist fanaticism or the beginning of a long design of death and destruction of minorities in India?
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Dhurru posts a history lesson. Problem is, no one cares.

Dhurru, jaane de na yaar. Its all history now.
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Dhurru posts a history lesson. Problem is, no one cares.

Dhurru, jaane de na yaar. Its all history now.
March 15th 2002....History will repeat....and then it will be too late to care.....
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Whatever happened (or did not happen) on March 15th is history again. World moves on. Once again, no one cares.
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Whatever happened (or did not happen) on March 15th is history again. World moves on. Once again, no one cares.
April 1st..2002.......There is no India....its now HIndu rashtra Bharat......mass murders and ethnic cleansing going on....Advani takes the command as General of combined forces....to control the civil war and massive riots....

....still the world goes on....except for Visa freeze and no internatinal flights.....all news banned..high alert at the border...
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Dhurru forgets to take his anti-psychotic drugs, resulting in the reappearance of paranoid fantasies.

Dhurru, do you honestly believe that any politician has that much G mein dum to do something like that? These guys need several parliamentary committees to decide the color of the walls in the parliament bathrooms. What you are talking about cannot happen through our current political structure. Yes, if there was a military coup or popular revolution, thats a different thing.
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thanks for that...but try to smell things a lil far away from those stinking fingers....

logical conclusion.....

http://ecumene.org/IIS/csss46.htm

......but what you are not foreseeing or rather avoiding because of the traumatic workload you may have now....does not apply to others.....why want to impose the casual ....who cares attitude on people who really care for this country(ver few though)....

.....about 10 crore Kar sevaks to gather..20000 per day.....

now if FBI is taking the terror threats seriously.....why can't a jasoos who knows in and out of our ethos...take them....
......then don't tell that the intelligentia never warned you....

regarding my dose of those drugs....Dhurru aisa koisa nasha nahin karta jo samay ke saath utar jai......kya.
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Cool dhurru .. you have the right to remain paranoid. I have the right to remain optimistic.

You say "What if?" and I say "So what". Its not that I dont care. I do. That is why I realize that there are far more important things that everyone (including you) should be concentrating on than a frigging temple/mosque/tosque/memple/whatever. That is where I say, who cares?
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you right to be optimistic......but not to assume others paranoid.
You could have called me a visionary.....anyways some people are kewl and happy go lucky types....wish you luck......

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Just because of such chootiyas like dhurru, yrpude etc. (which however form the majority of our nation) these ****faces we call politicians are able to rape our country and make it's people feel obliged at the same time.

There is starvation, disease, umemployment....and yet the fu.ckwads of our nation would rather fight over whether they make a mandir or a masjid. Instead of binding together as one, these a'holes would try to segregate themselves in as many ways as possible - race, religion, state.

So whenever I come across chootiyas like these, I really am not sure whether I am proud to be an Indian.
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Just because of such chootiyas like dhurru, yrpude etc. (which however form the majority of our nation) these ****faces we call politicians are able to rape our country and make it's people feel obliged at the same time.

There is starvation, disease, umemployment....and yet the fu.ckwads of our nation would rather fight over whether they make a mandir or a masjid. Instead of binding together as one, these a'holes would try to segregate themselves in as many ways as possible - race, religion, state.

So whenever I come across chootiyas like these, I really am not sure whether I am proud to be an Indian.
Shaant ho ja G. The country is greater than the sum total of all the narrow minded people who live there. India has survived a lot worse than what the current clowns can do to her. In the end, we will all be dead. But in some shape or form, the country will remain. So, peace bro.
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Just because of such chootiyas like dhurru, yrpude etc. (which however form the majority of our nation) these ****faces we call politicians are able to rape our country and make it's people feel obliged at the same time.

There is starvation, disease, umemployment....and yet the fu.ckwads of our nation would rather fight over whether they make a mandir or a masjid. Instead of binding together as one, these a'holes would try to segregate themselves in as many ways as possible - race, religion, state.

So whenever I come across chootiyas like these, I really am not sure whether I am proud to be an Indian.
Unkil Unkil don't jump to illogical con......aap kee age ka dhyan rakiye...

and badboodaar unglee if you are talking about....VRS like you said I DONT CARE.....take it easy don't panic...

..honestly Unkil have never read those posts.....you gota kidin me...hey intellectual zombie...
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Shaant ho ja G. The country is greater than the sum total of all the narrow minded people who live there. India has survived a lot worse than what the current clowns can do to her. In the end, we will all be dead. But in some shape or form, the country will remain. So, peace bro.
the whole is sum of parts...and badboo is sum of farts....keep smeelin...

lees is more....more is boring and then videsee will say ec is dying...

......now the thought itself is the bane for the brain itself....

my regrets to Kamleshwar........abhi aur bhi pakistaan banenge....the skunks are gettin the pie and the ranger is shootin the screcrow...
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