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Great topic viking!

I believe to have the GPS, you have to be a megalomaniac, like the big daddy himself. Never have any self doubt, and believe in yourself like you are God. Power, fame, influence and everything else will follow.
So you are saying, commoners cannot avail for themselves any satisfaction for their penises ... What do you think porn, sex toys, playboys and mastrams are doing?
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Yeah the kind of sex that he had made his face blissful and his Gandhian Penis condom worthy.
VikingPai, atleast give arguements that prove your side ... here what you are saying is quite the contrary to what you want to conclude ...

So peace is coming from sex? which means you dont have peace? or you shun peace coming out of sex? what is it that you want to prove ...

if blissfulness comes out of love, what is wrong with that ... Anyday between war and peace, it is better to chose peace ... hate and love, better to choose love ...
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ab mera gandhi gaya ,uska gandhian penis bhi gaya ,ab mai kiske saath nangi so-ungi.......

two of GANDHI's favourite bedmates ,manu and abha are seen grieving over his dead body

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I mean it must have taken courage to slay a person who had the guts to sleep naked with his own niece and even disclose this to the public!
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I mean it must have taken courage to slay a person who had the guts to sleep naked with his own niece and even disclose this to the public!
does it take courage to be angry? how do you think murdering someone takes courage?

VikingPai, your question puts both Krishna and Gandhi to be made available for public slaying ... Krishna did the same except did not mention in detail exactly what he did with his 24000 wives ... not that I am using that as a measure to grade a person's intelligence or maturity ... none of us can ... but you on the contrary seem to ignore one and capitulate on the other ... You have to bring rationality and even-mindedness in your thinking ... it is never too late, for nature or this existence always brings a person to crossroads where confrontations are bound to happen between paradoxes that we conveniently assume to exalt the other while slaying another at the same time...
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does it take courage to be angry? how do you think murdering someone takes courage?
yeah ,it takes courage.godse was going to be hated by the whole nation for what he did, and he was not going to be feted and revered as a hero like bhagat singh or chandrashekhar azad.

yet he killed gandhi knowing fully well what its consequences would be for not only him,but also his family.



VikingPai, your question puts both Krishna and Gandhi to be made available for public slaying ... Krishna did the same except did not mention in detail exactly what he did with his 24000 wives ... not that I am using that as a measure to grade a person's intelligence or maturity ... none of us can ... but you on the contrary seem to ignore one and capitulate on the other ... You have to bring rationality and even-mindedness in your thinking ... it is never too late, for nature or this existence always brings a person to crossroads where confrontations are bound to happen between paradoxes that we conveniently assume to exalt the other while slaying another at the same time...

do you even know why krishna married his many wives.

you dont even know their number......it is 16,108 ,not 24000.

he married them because a rakshasa had kidnapped and raped them .
once the rakshasa was killed by krishna , these unfortunate ' fallen women ' had nobody to save them ,as they had been 'used ' by the rakshasa.

these women themselves implored krishna to marry them as no-one else was ready to marry them ,and would have been abandoned.

it was an act of social service , and krishna was not using them as sex-toys for any ' experiments with half-baked untruths' like the so called mahatma .
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The man who should have been hero..........

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yeah ,it takes courage.godse was going to be hated by the whole nation for what he did, and he was not going to be feted and revered as a hero like bhagat singh or chandrashekhar azad.

yet he killed gandhi knowing fully well what its consequences would be for not only him,but also his family.
So basically it was a straightforward deal ... a bargain ... kill Gandhi and be ready for being maligned in history ... That is what terrorists are doing to the world today ... whoever who disagrees with their ideology they are willing to kill them and be ready to suffer the consequences ...

AshDoc pai please dont conclude on behalf of what other personalities really thought or believed in ... you are saying that for Chandrashekar and Bhagat Singh, popularity was the encouragement to lay down their life?

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do you even know why krishna married his many wives.

you dont even know their number......it is 16,108 ,not 24000.

he married them because a rakshasa had kidnapped and raped them .
once the rakshasa was killed by krishna , these unfortunate ' fallen women ' had nobody to save them ,as they had been 'used ' by the rakshasa.

these women themselves implored krishna to marry them as no-one else was ready to marry them ,and would have been abandoned.

it was an act of social service , and krishna was not using them as sex-toys for any ' experiments with half-baked untruths' like the so called mahatma .
Good logic AshDoc pai ... So you are saying that a woman who got raped should be married off to someone (even if that someone is willing to marry her but not be able to be a regular husband) and this is just because the society is cruel and illogical ... technically the practice of Sati has also been justified by the Brhmans in their scriptures ... but only when one is being satieed does one realize that it is all BS ... Also, there were other ways Krishna could have taken care of these ladies in distress ... he could have considered them to be his mother or sister or just friends and may be get them married to whoever they really wanted to ... may be Krishna would have been better off leading a crusade against the same society where these ladies would have been ostracized after rape ... may be he could have stopped the rapes (just as he did for Draupadi) ... Also, you have said it yourself here that it is OK to accept a set of women as your wives if they have no objection ... So then what is wrong with Gandhi sleeping nude with two girls ... Also, if a girl has agreed to be a wife or a friend, would you still rationalize that it is not wrong ... Only a person who cares about the society (which is basically the politics of numbers) will rationalize ... if they cant they will exalt or condemn the person depending upon how the numbers add up to ...
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So basically it was a straightforward deal ... a bargain ... kill Gandhi and be ready for being maligned in history ... That is what terrorists are doing to the world today ... whoever who disagrees with their ideology they are willing to kill them and be ready to suffer the consequences ...
godse was hardly a terrorist .he had seen was happening to his community at the hands of muslims ,and gandhi's weak-kneed reaction to it.

in bengal hindu women were kidnapped and paraded naked before being raped by their muslim captors ,and his friend karkare had personally seen this in noakhali in what is now bangladesh and showed him photoes of the atrocities.

and what was gandhi's reaction to this ........doses of more ahimsa.....!!.......and going on a fast to prevent hindus from retaliating !!

yet godse did not take the desicion to kill gandhi until gandhi undertook a fast to give pak 55 crores of rupees ,which would be used promptly by pak to buy weapons to killl indian soldiers in kashmir


AshDoc pai please dont conclude on behalf of what other personalities really thought or believed in ... you are saying that for Chandrashekar and Bhagat Singh, popularity was the encouragement to lay down their life?

i am saying nothing like that.........

what i am saying is that ,for godse the situation was much worse and even his family was going to suffer ostracism........in fact ,the whole maharashtrian brahmin community to which he belonged suffered for this ,as they were attacked and killed by the other castes.





Good logic AshDoc pai ... So you are saying that a woman who got raped should be married off to someone (even if that someone is willing to marry her but not be able to be a regular husband) and this is just because the society is cruel and illogical ... technically the practice of Sati has also been justified by the Brhmans in their scriptures ... but only when one is being satieed does one realize that it is all BS ... Also, there were other ways Krishna could have taken care of these ladies in distress ... he could have considered them to be his mother or sister or just friends and may be get them married to whoever they really wanted to ... may be Krishna would have been better off leading a crusade against the same society where these ladies would have been ostracized after rape ... may be he could have stopped the rapes (just as he did for Draupadi) ... Also, you have said it yourself here that it is OK to accept a set of women as your wives if they have no objection ... So then what is wrong with Gandhi sleeping nude with two girls ... Also, if a girl has agreed to be a wife or a friend, would you still rationalize that it is not wrong ... Only a person who cares about the society (which is basically the politics of numbers) will rationalize ... if they cant they will exalt or condemn the person depending upon how the numbers add up to ...
you are forgetting that the women had no one to turn to as their families had been killled by the rakshashas and were alone in the world.

the women themselves asked krishna to marry them.

and in the society of those times krishna could not carry out a social reform movement like today as the people were hide-bound with tradition.

modern times were yet to come....

krishna was not an old man like gandhi ,doing some bullshit experiments like sleeping naked with his own grand -neice just to see if she aroused him or not.

he was an eminently practical person ,who offered practical solutions to problems and did not hesitate to kill and used violence when necessary.



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So basically it was a straightforward deal ... a bargain ... kill Gandhi and be ready for being maligned in history ... That is what terrorists are doing to the world today ... whoever who disagrees with their ideology they are willing to kill them and be ready to suffer the consequences ...
godse was hardly a terrorist .he had seen was happening to his community at the hands of muslims ,and gandhi's weak-kneed reaction to it.

in bengal hindu women were kidnapped and paraded naked before being raped by their muslim captors ,and his friend karkare had personally seen this in noakhali in what is now bangladesh and showed him photoes of the atrocities.

and what was gandhi's reaction to this ........doses of more ahimsa.....!!.......and going on a fast to prevent hindus from retaliating !!

yet godse did not take the desicion to kill gandhi until gandhi undertook a fast to give pak 55 crores of rupees ,which would be used promptly by pak to buy weapons to killl indian soldiers in kashmir


AshDoc pai please dont conclude on behalf of what other personalities really thought or believed in ... you are saying that for Chandrashekar and Bhagat Singh, popularity was the encouragement to lay down their life?

i am saying nothing like that.........

what i am saying is that ,for godse the situation was much worse and even his family was going to suffer ostracism........in fact ,the whole maharashtrian brahmin community to which he belonged suffered for this ,as they were attacked and killed by the other castes.





Good logic AshDoc pai ... So you are saying that a woman who got raped should be married off to someone (even if that someone is willing to marry her but not be able to be a regular husband) and this is just because the society is cruel and illogical ... technically the practice of Sati has also been justified by the Brhmans in their scriptures ... but only when one is being satieed does one realize that it is all BS ... Also, there were other ways Krishna could have taken care of these ladies in distress ... he could have considered them to be his mother or sister or just friends and may be get them married to whoever they really wanted to ... may be Krishna would have been better off leading a crusade against the same society where these ladies would have been ostracized after rape ... may be he could have stopped the rapes (just as he did for Draupadi) ... Also, you have said it yourself here that it is OK to accept a set of women as your wives if they have no objection ... So then what is wrong with Gandhi sleeping nude with two girls ... Also, if a girl has agreed to be a wife or a friend, would you still rationalize that it is not wrong ... Only a person who cares about the society (which is basically the politics of numbers) will rationalize ... if they cant they will exalt or condemn the person depending upon how the numbers add up to ...
you are forgetting that the women had no one to turn to as their families had been killled by the rakshashas and were alone in the world.

the women themselves asked krishna to marry them.

and in the society of those times krishna could not carry out a social reform movement like today as the people were hide-bound with tradition.

modern times were yet to come....

krishna was not an old man like gandhi ,doing some bullshit experiments like sleeping naked with his own grand -neice just to see if she aroused him or not.

he was an eminently practical person ,who offered practical solutions to problems and did not hesitate to kill and used violence when necessary.

A one person who is a terrorist is a freedom fighter for another and vice-versa ... We Indians always take a short cut solution ... You have said it right, we are not brave ... Godse took an approach which anyone would have taken .. had he tried a non-violent way, I am sure it would have been the most difficult task to do ... but we take the easy way ... and you are saying there was courage in it ... heck the person is ready to die, how do you deal with the society after you are dead ... You cant ... even when he was alive he took the shortest approach acting on the impetus of the society and accepting that the non-violent way would have been the difficult ...

There are three ways of interacting with a person like Gandhi:

(1) Join him
(2) Go your own way
(3) Condemn him

All the three if pursued non-violently are difficult and impossible ... The short cut is to just kill ... But people forget you cannot kill an ideology (however correct or incorrect it is by killing the person or the whole clan) ... The fact that India has been spineless is just because of folks like Godse who took the shortest approach (or folks like Nehru lala who just sat on things and did nothing) ... You cannot transform the society of its prejudices (even if they are coming from Gandhi or Krishna) just by killing Gandhi or Krishna ... infact after someone is killed, he gets famous ...and automatically the words from that person become a religion ... hence as of now, nobody can question Gandhianism ... it is still popular ...

Regarding Krishna, he was a man in his own might ... If raas leela and his other past times were to be read by a close-minded society, it will be outrageous for anyone to accept him as a sane person ... even if Krishna were to do a raas leela today outside your apartment complex, the society will reject him if not pelt stones at him ...

So please dont use the same reasoning to justify one and malign the other ... for all you can do is read about these persons and still not be able to know the person for real ... Godse did not kill Gandhi ... he wanted to kill Gandhianism ... Godse can never have known Gandhi as he is as a person ... Just as you and me cannot know exactly who Godse was in reality ... We just want to commit a person's nature by looking at his acts .... Godse concluded that Gandhi needed to be killed by his acts ... He was not aware of what Gandhi actually wanted ... Gandhi on the contrary might have assumed Godse act as violent ... and people like you and me who are sitting on the ropes are deciding from our little understanding of these two personalities as to who was Great ... Gandhi or Godse?

Plus looking at the state of affairs of the Pakistanis who have been mired in Violence since their inception, as of now, Gandhi seems to be more rational and even-minded ... Godse short cut solutions would have been more detrimental to India ... But you should realize that these things change with situation ...
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Plus looking at the state of affairs of the Pakistanis who have been mired in Violence since their inception, as of now, Gandhi seems to be more rational and even-minded ... Godse short cut solutions would have been more detrimental to India ... But you should realize that these things change with situation ...
yeah pakis are mired in violence .

so why was gandhi fasting to give these crazies 55 crore rupees ,which would be used to wage war in kashmir on india ?

nehru himself had said that giving pakis 55 crore rupees was giving them the ' sinews of war '.

gandhi conveniently used to forget his own ahimsa when it came to taking muslim's side .

of course this time he was going to extraordinary lengths , giving them indian money to attack india !!

so he had to be eliminated...............
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of course this time he was going to extraordinary lengths , giving them indian money to attack india !!

so he had to be eliminated...............
He was eliminated alright but his ideologies are not. I think that's what Landyaji trying to say. (correct me if I am wrong)
If you want to eliminate something, you will need to target the roots. Killing a man and leaving behind his legacy will lead to further discussions (like its happening with Gandhi right now).
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He was eliminated alright but his ideologies are not. I think that's what Landyaji trying to say. (correct me if I am wrong)
If you want to eliminate something, you will need to target the roots. Killing a man and leaving behind his legacy will lead to further discussions (like its happening with Gandhi right now).
killing gandhi had a practical purpose .

at least the immediate madness stopped .

his disciples who would carry forward his philosophy were not as crazy as him .

nehru ,himself a gandhi disciple, was opposed to giving 55 crores to pak.
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yeah pakis are mired in violence .

so why was gandhi fasting to give these crazies 55 crore rupees ,which would be used to wage war in kashmir on india ?
I dont know, I wish I was being that even-minded at that time ... Just try to imagine being in the shoes of Gandhi (we can only do so much, imagine, but it is still worth a try) ...

Let's assume for a fact that there exists no religion and there is no fair skin, dark skin segregation business ... Now what do you think would we need Gandhi ... No ... A person like Gandhi is needed when there is a persistent feud and killing going on, on the basis of religion, caste and regionalism ... A life saved is worth more than 55 crores of rupees ... Plus, an act of non-violence has no karma ...if you dont understand karma, let me put it this way ... Killing a person requires lot of mental anguish, anger, and physical torture, not only on the person who is being perpetrated upon but also on the person who is perpetrating the violence ... 55 crores is nothing compared to the lives that could have been saved ... In this world that we live in, where we dont need much reason to go berserk or insane, Gandhi tried to do what others couldnt ... pacification ... Hindus in general are more silent and accepting of their situations as compared to muslims ... what is wrong on anybody's part to realize the degree of unconsciousness among different groups of people ... You do it unconsciously, Gandhi did it consciously ...

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nehru himself had said that giving pakis 55 crore rupees was giving them the ' sinews of war '.
With regard to politicians I cannot comment ... it is just money ... and moreover, what did Nehru propose ... Anyone can comment and sit on their ass ...

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gandhi conveniently used to forget his own ahimsa when it came to taking muslim's side .
Ahimsa is a very big word that anyone among us can fully understand (including Gandhi) ... but among a group of unconscious people who can go headlong to cut each other's throats, I am saying non-violence even by way of giving money is still something ... You can only do so much if you are surrounded by such emotional people in rage ...

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of course this time he was going to extraordinary lengths , giving them indian money to attack india !!

so he had to be eliminated...............
You would have argued differently if you were on the other side of the border ... Please think above nations and borders ... We have to come to a point where we think in terms of the whole world (unless we want to have a third world war where nothing will remain for the next generation) ...
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Gandhi was a great man indeed in his own right.

Equally great damages were done by his go-soft philosophy.We are already bearing the brunt of his misdeeds.

If he was not stopped, the picture would have been far too worse for us to even discuss.

He had to be stopped. in some way.

Simply disagreeing, arguing, going one's own way etc would not have helped.

Actually we should discuss the possible consequences were he not stopped. That would draw the conclusion.
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