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Old July 15th, 2006, 04:13 PM
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The futility of Barak anti-missile system

Hizballah Brings out Iranian Silkworm to Hit Israel Navy Corvette

DEBKAfile Exclusive Military Analysis

July 15, 2006, 1:37 PM (GMT+02:00)





The disaster that overtook one of the Israeli Navy’s state of the art warships, Ahi-Hanit, was thoroughly planned in advance by an enemy which managed to take Israel’s military commanders by surprise. It has shocked Israel’s military to a degree comparable to the profound effect on US forces of al Qaeda’s 2000 attack on the USS Cole in Aden.

The Saar-5 class corvette, with a crew of 61 seamen and a 10-man helicopter crew, was hit Friday, July 17 at 20:15 hours, while shelling Beirut international airport. Four crewmen were reported missing. One was found dead Saturday aboard the crippled ship. He is First Sgt Tal Amgar, 21, from Ashdod. The search continues for three missing crewmen, Sgt. Yaniv Hershkovitch, 21, from Haifa, Corp. Shai Atias, 19, from Rishon Lezion and Master Sgt. Dov Shternschuss, 37, from Carmiel.



DEBKAfile’s military sources reveal that the warship was struck from Beirut by an Iran-made radar-guided C-802 shore-to-sea missile of the Silkworm family. Weighing 715 kilos, with a range of 120km, the missile is armed with a strong anti-jamming capability, which lends it a 98% success rate in escaping interception.

The Israeli ship is armed with an advanced Barak anti-missile system, which may have missed the incoming missile. Israeli military planners must now look at the vulnerability of the navy following the appearance of the first Iranian C-802 missiles


The Israeli chief of staff, Lt.Gen. Dan Halutz, started his news conference Friday night just 15 minutes earlier at 20:00. The campaign was then 60 hours old from the moment Hizballah raiders captured two Israel soldiers in an ambush inside Israel. He was poised, assured and clear, until a reporter asked if the military goals of the Lebanese offensive matched the objectives set out in government decisions. His answer was: “Don’t start looking for cracks.”

But Hizballah found the cracks 15 minutes later. Its secretary general Hassan Nasrallah put in a telephone appearance on Al Manar TV straight after General Halutz to inform his listeners across the Middle East that one of Israel’s warships was ablaze at that very moment. He said the ship had been crippled while it was bombing Beirut and was sinking. Hizballah, he added, had prepared a number of surprises for Israel and its armed forces Despite several Israeli air raids, the station is still broadcasting.

In Israel, the Hizballah chief’s words were taken at first as an implausible threat for the future – until the order of events began to unfold.

DEBKAfile’s military sources reveal:

Shortly before 20:00 hours Friday, Hizballah launched a pair of land-to-sea C-802 missiles against the Israeli ship from the coast of Beirut. The trajectory of the first was adjusted to a landing amidships from above. It missed and exploded in the water. The second was rigged to skim the water like a cruise missile. It achieved a direct hit of the Ahi Hanit’s helicopter deck, starting a fire. The ship began to sink, as Nasrallah said, and would have been lost were it not for the speed and bravery of crewmen who jumped into the flames and doused them before the ship exploded and sank.

It is not known whether the men dead and missing paid with their lives for saving the ship.

This was the second time in 48 hours that the Israeli high command was taken by unawares.

July 12, the day that Hizballah kidnapped two Israeli soldiers, was also the deadline for Iran to deliver its answer to the six-power package of incentives for giving up its nuclear enrichment program. Tehran let the day go by without an answer. Someone should have kept an eye on Iran’s Lebanese surrogate and made the connection with a fresh virulent threat against Israel from Iran’s president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. However, the high alert declared earlier this month for Israeli units on the Lebanese border was not restored.

The Hizballah guerrillas took advantage of this lack of vigilance to infiltrate Israel near Zarit, penetrate to a distance of 200 meters, fire RPGs and roadside bombs at two Israeli Hammer jeeps on patrol, and make off with Ehud Goldwasser and Eldad Regev. Eight Israeli soldiers lost their lives as a result of this attack.

The IDF ground pursuit for the two men was cut short when an Israeli tank was blown up by a massive 300-kilo bomb in south Lebanon, killing the four-man crew and a fifth soldier who tried to rescue his comrades.

The attack on the Ahi-Hanit was the third surprise.

When General Halutz was asked if Israel does not fear Syrian and Iranian intervention in the hostilities, he replied firmly in the negative. But Iran has been involved from the very first moment.

This localized perception of the Just Reward campaign in Lebanon, contrary to Israeli leaders’ rhetoric, is hampering its effectiveness. The war embarked on Wednesday night, July 12, must be seen in its regional strategic dimensions. It is therefore not enough to bash Nasrallah without taking into account beforehand that his strings are pulled by Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and Ahmadinejad from Tehran and the Syrian president Bashar Assad, who opened up Damascus military airport for the delivery of Iranian missiles to his militia.

Saturday morning, Hizballah TV broadcast a videotape showed a blurred object looking like a small unmanned aircraft purportedly packed with explosives exploding in the water. This was an attempt to muddy the trail leading to Tehran and present the fatal attack as an extraordinary feat of arms by Hizballah. It was also another move in and intense psychological war to undermine Israeli morale. The inference they are trying to get across is that if the Shiite terrorists have a weapon that can hit a moving target at sea, the will not find it hard to reach any part of Israel including Tel Aviv.

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Old July 16th, 2006, 12:34 AM
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Re: The futility of Barak anti-missile system

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Old July 16th, 2006, 05:02 AM
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Re: The futility of Barak anti-missile system

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What kind of missiles do we have?
I believe Navy ditched indigenous missile system (in progress) in favor of Barak system during Vajpayee years.

Don't take me wrong, I am not looking forward to bashing BJP or Fernandes on this issue.

All I am saying is that DRDO could probably use the Israeli method of adapting and improving the existing system. If Israel can improve upon US or European weaponry, why can't DRDO start with improving Barak?
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Re: The futility of Barak anti-missile system

bail dimak he re tu, you proved it once again Mr.Otherwise. did you read the briefing from ISRAELI defence department officials,The countermeasure systems were kept off, because they did not anticipate the attack. BTW the system was kept off beacuse, sometimes even a commercial airliner can be mistaken for a fighter jet and fired at(even this incident did happen)
now Mr.Otherwise, google the news bit that has this info

P.S: not only barak the boat had the phalanx system too(check the attachment)
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bail dimak he re tu, you proved it once again Mr.Otherwise. did you read the briefing from ISRAELI defence department officials,The countermeasure systems were kept off, because they did not anticipate the attack. BTW the system was kept off beacuse, sometimes even a commercial airliner can be mistaken for a fighter jet and fired at(even this incident did happen)
now Mr.Otherwise, google the news bit that has this info

P.S: not only barak the boat had the phalanx system too(check the attachment)
You need to learn how to separate wheat from the chaff....and facts from the fiction

If Israel had bombed all the runways of the Rafik Hariri Intl airport, what kinda commercial airliner was it expecting in the vicinity of Beirut??....so the counter--measure argument turned off is a bait for idiots that you so gladly took
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You need to learn how to separate wheat from the chaff....and facts from the fiction

If Israel had bombed all the runways of the Rafik Hariri Intl airport, what kinda commercial airliner was it expecting in the vicinity of Beirut??....so the counter--measure argument turned off is a bait for idiots that you so gladly took
aaju baaju me vho ek hi desh he kya????. Does it mean that that whole area has been declared no flying zone or what???
BTW did you do your home work, i mean did you find the link which has the info i posted on the last post of mine
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aaju baaju me vho ek hi desh he kya????. Does it mean that that whole area has been declared no flying zone or what???
BTW did you do your home work, i mean did you find the link which has the info i posted on the last post of mine
By your argument, Israel would need to always keep its "countermeasures" off....lest it inadvertently down an airliner...

why don't you post that stupid link and allow me to do the honors to show you how to separate facts from fiction
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it seems that barrack missile deal has once again put indian politics in suspecious conditions. rather i should say it has confirmed the corruption in politics i.e. the triangle of political, administrative and middlemen. i dont know how long it will continue netither u, i m sure.............................................................
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Hizballah Brings out Iranian Silkworm to Hit Israel Navy Corvette

DEBKAfile Exclusive Military Analysis

July 15, 2006, 1:37 PM (GMT+02:00)





The disaster that overtook one of the Israeli Navy’s state of the art warships, Ahi-Hanit......

The Saar-5 class corvette, with a crew of 61 seamen and a 10-man helicopter crew, was hit Friday, July 17 at 20:15 hours, while shelling Beirut international airport.

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Re: The futility of Barak anti-missile system

Ok...let me put my 2 cents in this.

No weapon system ever has its counter measures on 24x7. Its a drain on resources and a lot of them becuase you would be tapping into various land and space based resources.

So I can understand that the IDF say that the Phalanx and Barak systems were off becuase they did not expect such an attack. But on the same note, the IDF for the last two years has known about the Iranian Silkworms (Chinese replicas) being sold off to countries like libya and factions like hezbollah. When you have a land and air based war, it is prudent to keep your sea based offensives on a state of alertness. Which was not the case, which is pretty stupid.

This whole Israel/Lebanon war was a little messed up becuase Israel went in assuming total victory not realizing the support hezbollah got Syria and Iran. I am sure they are going to figure out a new strategy and plan to disarm these ba$tards.
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