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Old September 24th, 2010, 07:58 AM
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USA is where it is now because of the hard-work that the earlier generation did . They were working with a long term vision of building the country and growing with it .
But the grim reality now is that USA is becoming somewhat like India where more stress is on personal benefit and how to make sure that the revenue for next quarter is more than the current. Beg, borrow or steal seems to be the new mantra . No visionary thinking ..

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Re: Can US become number 1 again

Yes, US can. You will find more patriotic people in a small town of the US than patriotic Indians in entire India. Americans have the will but have they got work ethics of old generations?

US government must bring back the policies to protect local industries. Illegal immigrants are another drag on US economy, give them PR or send them back.

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You will find more patriotic people in a small town of the US than patriotic Indians in entire India.
Is that a typo?Probably you meant to say it other way round?
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Is that a typo?Probably you meant to say it other way round?
no, its a fact...not a typo.....unless of course the small town USA is teeming with illegals or people from selfish cultures (like Indian subcontinent)
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US government must bring back the policies to protect local industries. Illegal immigrants are another drag on US economy, give them PR or send them back.

Good topic.
Question is can they ? Most of the US economy is working on borrowed money . And with so much debt they cannot push protectionist policies . Currently the manufacturing base has all but dwindled. And to get back to pre-1980 around will require more money and talent which will require more money . TARP could have done it but that ended up with the big corporations who gobbled it up .


USA reached a state esp. after the collapse of Russia , a state where there was no sense of urgency and they could actually only live life king size and let their money do the work for them . Hence all the frat parties, teenage pregnancies, no value for education etc etc ..
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Re: Can US become number 1 again

In the early years Americans were working very hard for nation building. Their efforts paid off and the nation was really built well. Infrastructure is absolutely amazing, prosperity that it brought is enviable, overall well being and development was phenomenal.

As you rightly said, after the end of the cold war with USSR, things became a little lax. Prosperity reached new heights. Tech revolution of early 90s continued into early 21st century. Things were all, in colloquial Hindi 'Tapo Top' All upbeat and on the upswing!

But as prosperity came, so did lethargy to keep up the hard work. For example, with more avenues open now, the younger generation started focussing more on on careers in law, management and everything else but not in tech. Other competitors like China, South Korea, Japan, even India started making dents into the tech prowess and advances. First the semiconductor industry flew out of USA (offcourse design still happens here at companies like Intel, etc.) but still the majority of it flew out. Just Google or WikiPedia for Fairchild semiconductors to see what I am saying.

Today most students want to do everything but science and technology. Engineering is not sexy, especially after the dot com bust.

For the US to retain its edge, and keep up the innovation there has to be concerted effort to bring in outside talent if required. Something like big companies do - acquire smaller but innovative companies to leverage their portfolio and broaden the offerings of the bigger company.
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Re: Can US become number 1 again

To begin with, can someone list of things that US was No. 1 in? And when? Sports? Arts? Manufacturing? Education? Music?
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Re: Can US become number 1 again

militarily and economically, the big boss is still the big boss.
the studies/reports that say so-&-so-country is now the 3rd most powerful in the world and by so-and-so-year so-&-so-country will trip the big boss from the top position blah blah are worth a . only time will tell, reports/studies do not.
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militarily and economically, the big boss is still the big boss.
the studies/reports that say so-&-so-country is now the 3rd most powerful in the world and by so-and-so-year so-&-so-country will trip the big boss from the top position blah blah are worth a . only time will tell, reports/studies do not.
Militarily ok.. economically...umm.. maloom nahi, there is a lot of negative sentiment and fiscal decific. and the reports are compiled by US agencies only.
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Militarily ok.. economically...umm.. maloom nahi, there is a lot of negative sentiment and fiscal decific. and the reports are compiled by US agencies only.
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Militarily ok.. economically...umm.. maloom nahi, there is a lot of negative sentiment and fiscal decific. and the reports are compiled by US agencies only.
aare you are talking about USA as how it now and what brought it to this point . That is what I am saying .
USA was ahead when it came to innovation and visionary thinking and that is what allowed them to get so powerful as time progressed . Yeah it was not number one during the tech boom . But it was the country that prospered the most during that period . Because it used its resources to get all the technical help it could get by hiring foreign workers . They penned free trade agreements that allowed them to compete in a global field which helped American companies open shop in other countries .
But currently they aren't going anywhere . What did they gain out of the Iraq war ? How does Afghanistan fit in their foreign policy ? Back home how many big shot companies that were bailed out are really talking about USA restoring its strong dollar status ?

That is what I am hinting right now . China is using all its resources to open up global trade . See how they are building up routes to the Gulf Strait through Pakistan ? See the amount of money they are willing to spend to get researchers to open labs in China . That is how USA was before but now it is just trying to pretend that it is alright .
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militarily and economically, the big boss is still the big boss.
the studies/reports that say so-&-so-country is now the 3rd most powerful in the world and by so-and-so-year so-&-so-country will trip the big boss from the top position blah blah are worth a . only time will tell, reports/studies do not.
militarily they are ahead because the japanese ,and especially the germans ,who have a inborn genius for war ,have been bound by treaties after the second world war ,by which they cannot produce certain weapons like nukes etc ,and have to keep restricted armed forces.
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Militarily ok.. economically...umm.. maloom nahi, there is a lot of negative sentiment and fiscal decific. and the reports are compiled by US agencies only.
even in the sentiment creating dept, big boss is the big boss.
even today, if big boss sneezes, world catches a cold, fiscal decific or not
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militarily they are ahead because the japanese ,and especially the germans ,who have a inborn genius for war ,have been bound by treaties after the second world war ,by which they cannot produce certain weapons like nukes etc ,and have to keep restricted armed forces.
whatever the reasons. it is numero uno. the question 'Can US become number 1 again' is not right.
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Yes, US can. You will find more patriotic people in a small town of the US than patriotic Indians in entire India.
On the face of it this statement sounds very offensive but it is not. My observation is that there is a very strong emotional bond for most americans with their nation. In India there isn't any such passion directly with nation of India; individuals mostly tie themselves with promoting or bashing GoI or BJP or Congress. Because US had a short history, people have had the opportunity to study may parts of their constitution and amendments, and have pretty good understanding of the challenges and achievements of past presidents. This is covered in school syllabus - with a general overview in middle school and more in depth in high school. My belief is that because of this constant mind share throughout the school, most of their patriotic outburst stems from that, and it is independent of the current context, i.e. Obama or republican or democtratic parties or 9/11. It is just pure patriotism, and internalization the ideals of american founders of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.

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US government must bring back the policies to protect local industries.
This is a global economy and protecting local industries will expedite american decline, if anything. There can be (and is) a movement for local produce, since it is fresh vegetables, and green due to low distribution emissions, etc. But that is the extent of it.

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Illegal immigrants are another drag on US economy, give them PR or send them back.
Illegal immigration is mostly a political issue. There are many burning issues with real impact than immigration. It is a diversion that hopefully US will stay away from and address high priority issues instead.
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