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Old November 17th, 2016, 06:23 AM
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India has the capability to win hands down in a conventional war with Pakistan. But what is holding it back? Answer is nukes. In the situation when Pakistan’s existence itself is under threat, Pakistan is likely to use nuclear weapons.

The formidable intelligence agency, RAW came up with an innovative solution to this nuke problem. An allegorical/metaphorical video is useful in driving home this concept.

The strategy is to deflect the ire of Pakistanis towards nations like USA, Israel and UK. A false perception is being created that India is merely a tool in the hands of Whites and the offensive decisions of Indian military actions are actually taken behind the scenes by the above mentioned nations of colonial mindset. In such scenario, Pakistan is less likely to nuke India. A rumour is being spread that Indians are serving the interests of firangis by sacrificing themselves. A lie is being told that even if India attacks Pakistan, the real culprit is West and not Indians. The plan is to feign innocence. Pretend to be an ignorant puppet which is remote controlled by unseen hands of CIA and Mossad. Pakistan won't fight USA and Israel. So put the blame on them.

The idea is working because many Pakistanis are buying Indian propaganda.

There are many reasons why USA will indirectly and unwittingly shield India from Pakistan. In the world's opinion, India is a pawn in USA's great game of cold war with China. During Soviet times, Pakistan was CIA's pawn against USSR. Now according to outside world, India is playing that role in China's context.

More importantly, here's why CIA, Mossad and probably MI6 would allow Indians to use their names to serve the interest of Indians. It is because America has a stake in India's economy. Remember Westerners have one weakness. They always want someone to work for them like donkeys. You must know too well. You have American superiors.

RAW is likely to ensure that US economy is coupled to that of India's in such a way that Americans have a stake in India's military security.

A fake surgical strike was orchestrated to create an impression that Indians are cowards and won't attack Pakistan unless encouraged by the goras.

Now in this allegorical/metaphorical video, the bald shopkeeper symbolizes India. The two fair-skinned cyclists symbolize the USA and Israel. The robbers symbolize Pakistan (No offence just symbolism from Indian viewpoint). The prominently apparent rope symbolizes the nuke. The literal use of rope is tying. Here rope is used to symbolize the thing that has tied up the hands of Indian policy makers, the nuclear weapons. On seeing the rope, the Indian goes into dormant mode. But then come along the two saviors. They sit in the driver's seat and drive away the van. They save the day for the Indians. That means USA and Israel take care of India's headache of nuclear retaliatory strike by Pakistan and thus clear the way for India's interests of invading Pakistan by conventional means. In this video, USA and Israel do favour to India by clearing obstacles for India!!

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Old November 17th, 2016, 07:22 AM
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Old November 17th, 2016, 09:08 AM
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welcome back bhai.. sounds like an interesting topic. Will read through and comment.
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welcome back bhai.. sounds like an interesting topic. Will read through and comment.
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Old November 17th, 2016, 09:02 PM
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The plan is to feign innocence. Pretend to be an ignorant puppet which is remote controlled by unseen hands of CIA and Mossad. Pakistan won't fight USA and Israel. So put the blame on them.

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The surgical strike was not fake, proven by the very fact that Pakistani vehemently denied it. This news channel called up the local police station near the LOC and pretended to be the officer's senior asking for a report.. it's all there for one to see.
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Why civilians have doubt on armed forces? I was appalled by idiots calling it fake strike

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Exactly, I'm dead sure armed forces will never play along if somebody wants to use them for political mileage.

Raj Thakeray's comment to Karan Johar and others about paying army for each Pakistani they employ, was immediately denounced by army.
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Exactly, I'm dead sure armed forces will never play along if somebody wants to use them for political mileage.

Raj Thakeray's comment to Karan Johar and others about paying army for each Pakistani they employ, was immediately denounced by army.
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Exactly, I'm dead sure armed forces will never play along if somebody wants to use them for political mileage.

Raj Thakeray's comment to Karan Johar and others about paying army for each Pakistani they employ, was immediately denounced by army.
Secondly nearly 100 active troops and I am sure another 100 logistics and support staff would have been involved, how so many people would have kept quiet, IAF flew 3 kms inside territory carrying them, how can so many people hide the operation.

And why do Indians have so much love with pale skinned Pakistani, inferiority complex I think

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Declassified US documents indicate it backed India on Kashmir in 1965

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WASHINGTON: The US in 1965 had supported India's stand that there should be no plebiscite in Kashmir, declassified US documents of the era indicate.

At the peak of the 1965 Indo-Pak war, the then Prime Minister Lal Bahadur Shastri wrote a letter to US President Lyndon Johnson wherein he informed the American leadership that New Delhi is willing to agree to an unconditional ceasefire.

He in his letter dated September 16, 1965 ruled out plebiscite in Kashmir arguing that the 1948 UN resolution in this regard was no longer acceptable.

Shastri's comments came after the then Pakistan foreign minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto told Americans that Pakistan was ready to be degraded as a nation but would not give up its claims over Kashmir.

The day on which the Indian forces entered Pakistan, US Ambassador in Islamabad Walter Patrick McConaughty met the then Pakistan president Ayyub Khan and foreign minister Bhutto who wanted an assurance from the US, UN and the international community for a plebiscite in Kashmir.

During the conversation, McConaughty told them that Pakistan was responsible for this war, by sending troops inside Kashmir and using American weapons -- which were given for use against a communist China -- against India.

The same day, the Johnson Administration in a separate telegram asked McConaughty to convey a tough message to Pakistan that it should not portray itself as a victim, for which it itself was to be blamed.

"We must view India's attacks across Pak border in over-all context events past few weeks. It clear from UNSYG (UN Secretary General) report that immediate crisis began with substantial infiltration of armed men from the Pakistan side," the State Department said in its message to McConaughty that was to be conveyed to Pakistan.

"We (are) aware India first put regular forces across CFL but Pak responses thereto in Chhamb area struck at points India considered vital, and Indians have long asserted (a) they could not tolerate continued Pak offensive, and (b) if Pakistan should strike India's vital interests, India would have no choice but to respond in area of its own choosing. GOP must have been well aware of risk involved in its own actions in Jammu and Kashmir," the State Department said.

But the US officials had a tough job to do to convince Pakistan for an unconditional ceasefire.

In his letter to Johnson, Shastri wrote, "I should like to state quite categorically that there can be no further question of any plebiscite to ascertain the wishes of the people of Jammu & Kashmir."

In his letter Shastri explained as to why India agreed to a plebiscite in Kashmir in 1948 and this is no longer an option.

"The reason why, when in 1947, we first went to the Security Council with a complaint of aggression against Pakistan, we made a unilateral promise of having a plebiscite in the State of Jammu & Kashmir, was that, at that time, the State had no democracy, having been under the rule of a prince in the British days, and we were anxious ourselves to be satisfied that the people, as distinct from the ruler, genuinely favoured accession to India," Shastri wrote, according to a copy of the letter released by State Department.

"Ever since the accession of the State, we have been building up democratic institutions. There have been three general elections in conditions of freedom. The results of these elections have demonstrated clearly that the people of Jammu & Kashmir have accepted their place in the Indian Union.

"I should like to state quite categorically that there can be no further question of any plebiscite to ascertain the wishes of the people of Jammu & Kashmir," he wrote.

"If President Ayub feels that by launching an invasion on the State of Jammu & Kashmir, he will pressurise us into ceding any part of the State of Jammu & Kashmir, all I can say is that he is grievously mistaken. Much though we love peace, we shall not buy it by selling our territory," Shastri wrote.

As Pakistan was fast running out of ammunition, US feared that any delay in ceasefire would put Pakistan at a disadvantage position and could be very well run over by a strong Indian Army, which was moving fast inside the Pakistan side of Punjab.

Even at this stage, both Ayub Khan and Bhutto insisted that US should exert pressure on India for a plebiscite in Kashmir or else America would be considered an enemy of Pakistan.

Four days after Indian forces successfully entered Pakistani Punjab, McConaughy met Bhutto with a ceasefire proposal so as to protect the territorial integrity of Pakistan.

Referring to his conversation with Bhutto in Rawalpindi, McConaughty wrote in a cable that the Pakistan foreign minister conceded that because of India opening the battle front in Punjab, attrition was already becoming a problem for the Pakistani forces and attrition would soon have a ruinous effect on the country's ability to defend itself if US decision not reversed.

"(Bhutto) said Pakistan would fight on to finish with sticks and stones and with bare hands if necessary, but their ability to hold back Indian attack would be vitally undermined by this US blow (of imposing arms sanctions)," the US diplomat wrote to the State Department.

"GOP (government of Pakistan) would now be even less inclined than before to accept proposals which would not contain assured provision for withdrawal of Indian armed forces from Kashmir and exercise of self-determination right by Kashmiris. Pakistan would not respond to the kind of pressure inherent in the US action," Bhutto insisted.

McConaughty told Bhutto that such a decision by Pakistan was not sensible.

"I told Bhutto it seemed to us that GOP was refusing to abandon the resort to force unless it attained in advance full agreement to its basic objectives as to Kashmir. It was not sensible to assume that this most intractable of world issues that has defied all solution efforts for 18 years could be settled now by the attachment of a Pakistani-prescribed rider to a ceasefire agreement," he wrote.

"He (Bhutto) said the Pakistanis would sell all their possessions, even their family heirlooms in order to get the means to continue the struggle until the Indian invasion repulsed and Kashmiri rights established.

On September 9, the Ambassador met Bhutto with the unconditional ceasefire proposal.

Bhutto rejected and said any ceasefire proposal has to be linked with a plebiscite in Kashmir.

"Ceasefire must form part of final Kashmir settlement along lines: a) India and Pakistan vacate territory, b) UN administration of law and order for period approximately six months, c) plebiscite within precisely stipulated time. Without that there can be no solution," Bhutto said according to the document.

"I said India not able to agree to that now and Bhutto responded, 'Then let them destroy Pakistan!'"

"Bhutto said 'People of Kashmir alone must decide, and no solution is complete without people of Kashmir expressing right of self-determination. This is battle of survival for Pakistan. We must be either degraded as nation or prevail. We prepared fight to finish," McConaughty wrote in his telegram.

As India was on the verge of capturing Lahore, Bhutto according to the telegram, told the US envoy: "You cannot destroy...people and their spirit by one battle in Lahore."

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The idea is working because many Pakistanis are buying Indian propaganda.

Quoting a Pakistani from other forum:

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whether it is Monsanto seeds or geo-politics Indians are the new Guinea pigs of Americans...if you see..Americans no longer poke in S.Asia and SE.Asia anymore..they ride on the Indian back..for last two years the Indian share of bidding for american interests has consistently increased. This has two benefits for the Americans..they can peruse their own flexible FP as per need..and if the move back fires it is India to take all the grunt...
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