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Kaliyuga and current events in the world

Kali Yuga : कलियुग, "Age of Kali", "age of vice", 'Dark Age'


Couple of days back ..happened to listen to an elderly man in tv about kali yuga. He described kaliyuga the present age with funny remarks, which i found very disturbing.
I googled and found this description about kaliyuga ....it seems we are at the last cycle and
the worst phase of human life. Do you find this description relevant and in sync with current events in the world and relevant state of affairs?


Kali Yuga (Devanāgarī: कलियुग, lit. "Age of Kali", "age of vice"), is one of the four stages of development that the world goes through as part of the cycle of Yugas, as described in Hindu scriptures, the others being Satya Yuga, Treta Yuga and Dvapara Yuga. According to the Surya Siddhanta, an astronomical treatise that forms the basis of all Hindu and Buddhist calendars, Kali Yuga began at midnight (00:00) on 18 February 3102 BCE [1] in the proleptic Julian calendar or 23 January 3102 BCE in the proleptic Gregorian calendar, which is also considered by many Hindus to be the time that Krishna, an incarnation of Vishnu, died as a result of a freak bow hunting accident. The Kali Yuga is traditionally thought to last 432,000 years. Kali Yuga is also recognized and stated in Sikhism, in the Guru Granth Sahib.[2]

Most interpretations of Hindu scriptures believe that earth is currently in Kali Yuga, though others believe that earth is now at the beginning of Dvapara Yuga. Hindus believe that human civilization degenerates spiritually throughout the Kali Yuga: it is mostly referred to as the Dark Age, mainly because people are the furthest possible from God. The description of Kali Yuga given below is an indication of its interpretive relevance in our current worldly existence.

Hinduism generally considers morality to be comparable to a bull known as Dharma. In Satya Yuga, the first stage of development, the bull had four legs, and in each age morality is reduced by a quarter. By the age of Kali, morality will be reduced to only a quarter of that of the golden age. Thus, the bull will only have one leg: morality will wait on men.[3][4]

Kali Yuga is associated with the apocalypse demon Kali, not be confused with the goddess Kālī, as these are unrelated words in the Sanskrit language. The "Kali" of Kali Yuga means "strife, discord, quarrel, or contention."


Attributes of Kali Yuga

Various Puranas (like Bhagavata 12.2) give lists of Kali Yuga symptoms. Some of them are:


In relation to rulers
Rulers will become unreasonable: they will levy taxes unfairly. Rulers will no longer see it their duty to promote spirituality or to protect their subjects: they will become a danger to the world. People will start migrating seeking countries where wheat and barley form the staple food source.


In relation to people's relationships
Source: Mahabharata, Vana Parva, Section CLXXXIX[3]

Avarice and wrath will be common, men will openly display animosity towards each other. Ignorance of Dharma will occur. Lust will be viewed as being socially acceptable. People will have thoughts of murder for no justification, and they will see nothing wrong with that mind-set.

People will be inclined to follow false sciences. Family murders will also occur. People will see those who are helpless as easy targets and remove everything from them.

Many other unwanted changes will occur. The right hand will deceive the left and the left the right. Men with false reputation of learning will teach the Truth and the old will betray the senselessness of the young, and the young will betray the dotage of the old. Cowards will have the reputation of bravery and the brave will be enervated cowards. People will not trust a single person in the world, not even their immediate family. Even husband and wife will find contempt in each other.

In the Kali Yuga even pre-teenage girls will get pregnant. The primary cause will be the social acceptance of sexual intercourse as being the central requirement of life.

It is believed that sin will increase exponentially, whilst virtue will fade and cease to flourish. People will take vows only to break them soonafter.

Alongside death and famine being everywhere, men will have lustful thoughts and so will women.People will without reason destroy trees and gardens. As previously mentioned, men will murder. There will be no respect for animals, and also meat eating will start.

People will become addicted to intoxicating drinks. Men will find their jobs stressful and will go to retreats to escape their work.

Gurus will no longer be respected and their students will attempt to injure them. Their teachings will be insulted and followers of Kama will wrest control of the mind from all human beings.

As the sin increases exponentially, so will the incidence of divine justice and wrath.

Weather and nature conditions in the Kali Yuga
when flowers will be begot within flowers, and fruits within fruits, then will the Yuga comes to an end. And the clouds will pour rain unseasonably when the end of the Yuga approaches.


10,000 years era within Kali yuga

The Brahma Vaivarta Purana mentions a ten thousand years period[5] within the Kali yuga of increased bhakti influence, to start 5,000 years[6] after its beginning, i.e. around 1899 CE, given the traditional dating of the Kali yuga epoch to February 18 3102 BCE.


Personification


Kali (right) wielding a sword.
Kali (Devanāgari: कलि) is the reigning lord of Kali Yuga and nemesis of Sri Kalki, the 10th and final avatar of Lord Vishnu. According to the Vishnu Purana, he is a negative manifestation of Vishnu who, along with his extended evil family, perpetually operates as a cause of the destruction of this world.[7] He serves as an antagonistic force in the Kalki Purana.

Towards the end of this yuga, Kalki will come riding on a white horse to battle Kali and his dark forces. The world would suffer a fiery end where all evil will perish. And in turn will start a new age, the age of Satya Yuga.


Other interpretations of Kali Yuga and the Yuga cycle

Other interpretations of the Hindu scriptures, most notably by David Frawley and Sri Yukteswar Giri, hold a different view of the Yuga cycle. In his opinion a cycle much like the four seasons, where the planet moves repeatedly and gradually from one Yuga to the next, without a sudden jump from Kali into Satya Yuga. Further, they both state that historical evidence shows that Kali Yuga ended around 1700 CE, changing at that time to Dwapara Yuga. He further points out that that the traditional 432,000 year cycle is questionable. He explains this interpretation in more depth in his book The Astrology of the Seers.[8]


Sri Yukteswar Giri
According to Sri Yukteswar Giri, we are currently in Dwapara Yuga. In his book The Holy Science, he explains that "the astronomers and astrologers who calculate the almanacs have been guided by wrong annotations of certain Sanskrit scholars (such as Kullu Bhatta) of the dark age of Kali Yuga, and now maintain that the length of Kali Yuga is 432,000 years, of which 4994 have (in 1894 CE) elapsed, leaving 427,006 years still remaining. A dark prospect! And fortunately one not true." The Holy Science includes his astronomical explanation for a shorter Yuga Cycle, in which Kali Yuga lasts only 2,400 years (1,200x2, one descending Kali Yuga cycle, followed by an ascending cycle).[9]

Sri Yukteswarji noted that Dwapura Yuga is represented by the introduction of atomic energy and electricity and we appear to have just entered that age during the renaissance.
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Just wondering how was this time calculated - 432,000 years -- they did not have the English calender then , so how did they find this time duration ?
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Sri Yukteswarji noted that Dwapura Yuga is represented by the introduction of atomic energy and electricity and we appear to have just entered that age during the renaissance.
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Kaliyuga
How can Dwapara yuga come before Satya Yuga and Treta Yuga?
If Kaliyuga has ended,it should be beginning of Satya Yuga ,right?
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Do you find this description relevant and in sync with current events in the world and relevant state of affairs?
given the current state of affairs, i do. boley to ab dilli dooor nahin.
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Just wondering how was this time calculated - 432,000 years -- they did not have the English calender then , so how did they find this time duration ?
I don't think they calculated it all the way back then. They must have put a date to it much later.
Also, I was thinking kaliyuga started when Krishna was born. I must have been mistaken.
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How can Dwapara yuga come before Satya Yuga and Treta Yuga?
If Kaliyuga has ended,it should be beginning of Satya Yuga ,right?
there is no b4 or after. Its a cycle.

satyug->treta->dwapar->kali->satyug again.
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I don't think they calculated it all the way back then. They must have put a date to it much later.
Also, I was thinking kaliyuga started when Krishna was born. I must have been mistaken.
I would think it is when Lord Krishna left prithvilok.
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How can Dwapara yuga come before Satya Yuga and Treta Yuga?
If Kaliyuga has ended,it should be beginning of Satya Yuga ,right?
Its a cycle...so, once Kaliyuga is completed, everything will be destroyed and re-created; all the way from amoeba.
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Kali Yuga : कलियुग, "Age of Kali", "age of vice", 'Dark Age'


Couple of days back ..happened to listen to an elderly man in tv about kali yuga. He described kaliyuga the present age with funny remarks, which i found very disturbing.
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The predictions that this elderly man made or what you googled, were these predictions in some ancient books or were they made after the events. For e.g., does any ancient book say that wo/man will be so tired from work that s/he will go to a retreat to relax? Really?

And you say that there was no previous era when pre-teen girls just will not get pregnant? Happens only in Kalyug? Men never lusted for women (or other men) in those golden eras? Gurus were always respected?

I think otherwise. I think this is the golden era... the best of all years that have happened in the entire like of earth. There has never been any better times ever before.
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I watched this series special on History channel and it was called the Nostradimus Effect. According to the show it seems the Mayans, Hindus and Chinese cultures predicted the same exact date and the same year. All three cultures divide time into four Yugas. Uncanny resemblance.

Anyhow waiting for 22nd Dec 2012 to see how true it is! I am a skeptic though in this matter.
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For hindus ,it will forever be kaliyug........especially with we muslims around to take care of the fact that life becomes KALIYUG for you.........

Witness the bomb blasts of yesterday in pune........

Another instance of kaliyug we muslims plan for you.......

You better convert to the religion of muhammad ,and see the true light

I promise you escapade from kaliyug.......
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I watched this series special on History channel and it was called the Nostradimus Effect. According to the show it seems the Mayans, Hindus and Chinese cultures predicted the same exact date and the same year. All three cultures divide time into four Yugas. Uncanny resemblance.

Anyhow waiting for 22nd Dec 2012 to see how true it is! I am a skeptic though in this matter.
Only mayans have that date as end of their long count calendar. Hindus have a long way to go, we are in 5000th year (+/-) of the 432000 years journey in Kaliyuga before the next mahayuga begins with its own satya yuga followed by treta, dvapar and kali yugas.

Kaliyuga does not end with complete destruction. That happens only at the end of kalpa which is 1000 mahayugas when everything is destroyed.

Who came up with this stuff?
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Its a cycle...so, once Kaliyuga is completed, everything will be destroyed and re-created; all the way from amoeba.
what makes you think amoeba was the 'first' thing?
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The predictions that this elderly man made or what you googled, were these predictions in some ancient books or were they made after the events. For e.g., does any ancient book say that wo/man will be so tired from work that s/he will go to a retreat to relax? Really?

if you see the first post above it says, description of kaliyuga is there in gita and many puranas of Hinduism

And you say that there was no previous era when pre-teen girls just will not get pregnant? Happens only in Kalyug? Men never lusted for women (or other men) in those golden eras? Gurus were always respected?
i don't say that men never lusted any woman or pre-ten gals got pregnant only now...the source from my copy/paste says that.
I think otherwise. I think this is the golden era... the best of all years that have happened in the entire like of earth. There has never been any better times ever before.
Instead of reading each and every line and interpreting it very narrowly, I can only take a 'summarized meaning' on the whole and generic point what the description is trying to say. ....that there will be huge deterioration of 'human values'

what i found intriguing and disturbing is ...of all the four ..kaliyuga(present times) is the worst.
and you are saying this is the best of all . i mean the argument is between lord krishna(source of bhagawadgita and one who explained symptoms of kaliyuga ?) and you(the one who describes kaliyuga as golden age ?)

as of now there are only questions in my brain....no answers.

absence of belief in god and spirituality are making us lesser humans(humans with less value) when compared to people in previous yugas ?

we generally quote 'what goes up must come down', if we apply this to current context ...satyuga was on the top, and kaliyuga the bottom... ? so...where are we ? at the bottom or top?
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Instead of reading each and every line and interpreting it very narrowly, I can only take a 'summarized meaning' on the whole and generic point what the description is trying to say. ....that there will be huge deterioration of 'human values'

what i found intriguing and disturbing is ...of all the four ..kaliyuga(present times) is the worst.
and you are saying this is the best of all . i mean the argument is between lord krishna(source of bhagawadgita and one who explained symptoms of kaliyuga ?) and you(the one who describes kaliyuga as golden age ?)

as of now there are only questions in my brain....no answers.

absence of belief in god and spirituality are making us lesser humans(humans with less value) when compared to people in previous yugas ?

we generally quote 'what goes up must come down', if we apply this to current context ...satyuga was on the top, and kaliyuga the bottom... ? so...where are we ? at the bottom or top?
Indapani pai, that's because you are taking a pessimistic view and looking only at the negative things that happen today. I, on the other hand, am being positive here and looking at the bright side of things. If given a chance, I would rather live in this kaliyuga than in the satyuga, where I would not have a proper house nor clothes nor easy travel nor this computer to present my thoughts nor safety of my family from wild animals. Of course, the last one is still possible with the wild animals of the human kind but at least we have some sort of law in place... and not completely lawless as in the satyuga.

Given the options of what you have today and what you possibly could have had then, what would you choose?

And what tf are you talking about lord krishna and bhagavad gita? What has gods to do with human beings? Don't mix up issues here. Do you want to talk about yugas or about gods?
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