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Old May 14th, 2004, 10:14 AM
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Question Why the BJP lost.. My opinion

All political pundits in the media and politics are trying to analyse what went wrong for BJP. Also its notable that BJP was not completely routed but trailed just a few seats behind Congress(I) and its allies.

Whatever the experts say, and whether its wrong or right, this is my opinion -

BJP's India Shining was a brilliant campaign but they forgot that it was only effective for urban/city folks who understood that increased Foreign investment, growing foreign exchange reserves, increased exports of IT and services, export of steel, building infrastructure in cities, constructing super highways, etc. was great for the country.

The rural folks dont see much effect on their lives. India is Shining but not for them. BJP did not woo the traditional agricultrual vote bank in the rural parts of India.

Its good that Mandir issue was not the moot point for elections. It maintains peace by avoiding this charged issue. BJP thought that this would be a good strategy and it could woo Muslim voters. While Congress(I) was using it age old stunts of wooing Muslims by telling them that they are a minority and need help, BJP was trying to woo the same Muslim vote bank by not talking of Ram Mandir.

BJP clearly forgot that no matter what, their image is that of a Hindu party and the Muslims will not vote for them. They will vote Congress(I) and some other parties like Samajwadi , BSP, etc. parties.

This is where BJP made a political mistake. Like here in the USA - Even if Reoublicans sing the Macarena and east Salsa and speak only Spanish, the Latino voters are traditionally Democrats and will not shift en-masse to Republicans. In India, the Muslims are not ready to trust the BJP just yet. I cannot blame the Muslims for not trusting the BJP just yet. In these elections some Muslims did vote for BJP and its allies, but still its not a significant number.

At the same time BJP alienated its core supporters and core parties like VHP, Bajrang Dal and RSS. Many core Hindu voters shunned the BJP and some even cross voted. This is getting clear from many exit polls and now after poll surveys.

So what should BJP have done?
All parties, however lofty their ideals in their election propaganda materials and agendas, basically resort to their core comptencies - riling up the constituents on their pet topics and creating needs when there are none and starting problems when there are none. This time BJP was very mild in such tactics. They could have raised Mandir issue again and said that this time we will make it. After elections they could have reneged like they did last time.
You might say I am suggesting religious fighting all over again, but wait. Every party has used the same trick repeatedly and has been successful. Congress always projects that Muslims are just about to be ethnically cleansed unless Congress(I) is elected. The BSP, SamajWadi Parties et-al keep pointing to Ambedkar and Buddha and create a wave that every Dalit and backward person is suffering and every gastric emission is because they are not in power. Laloo is a prime example of this strategy. Then you have communists from Eastern India. The Eastern states are nothing but a drain on the national exchequer due to Socialist and Communist policies by these parties. Yet they are successful in convincing the people there that all problems are because India is not Communist. So they get elected.

BJP's main agenda should have been Mandir issue. They should have pursued it and they would have won. I say such a string thing because the Congress and its allies made it bluntly clear that they would do anything to keep BJP out of power. If they can be so blunt why is BJP acting sophisticated?

In India, even after 50 years, elections will be won and lost on such otherwise banal and stupid issues. I suggest such strong medicine as Mandir issue for BJP because BJP in power was doing a lot of good for people and they did not have Leftist parties as allies. SO they should have used the same old trick and come back in power. Then they could continue the good work and drop the Mandir issue once more. In India, its not just all is fair in love and war but its "all is fair in love, war and politics"! Mr. Vajpayee forgot this guru-mantra it seems.
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Old May 14th, 2004, 10:49 AM
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Ah, blame globalization for this one. We outsource our back office operations to India and Indians outsource their politicians to Italy .
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Ah, blame globalization for this one. We outsource our back office operations to India and Indians outsource their politicians to Italy .
That was a good one!
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Or could it be that the masses are unable to buy imported cars and simply wanted an imported anything.. so settled for an Imported PM.
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Ah, blame globalization for this one. We outsource our back office operations to India and Indians outsource their politicians to Italy .
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Ok hence vajpayee is on bench now!
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I heard a nice joke about Vajpayee last night..

Vajpayee was talking to another senior leader Murli Manohar Joshi - "I had a horrible dream the other day."

Joshi-"What did you dream? Is something terrible going to happen to India?"

Vajpayee - "No, I dreamt that I was giving a speech and I feel asleep. But when I woke up I was really in the midst of a speech"

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U still dont get it.. if you have to rule country u need majority of people voting you.. with mandir issue u are not going that numbers, thats the reason they dumped the issue. You think people in BJP are that dumb to give away an agenda that is a sure shot.

Let us talk numbers

15% of population are Muslims.
25% of then are dalits
35% of them are backwards

So, if BJP dumps Muslims are Dalits, Backwards are consolidated by Yadav and Laloo, they are just left with 25% of the population that could support mandir issue, how many of such people do go and vote.

If BJP wants win, they have to have policy that is all inculsive. They should not sit when Gujrat is burning are 1000's are killed, they should not take revenge in media for exposing corruption.

I dont agree that economic policy was that BJP, i still its of Manmohan singh. BJP/sangh parivars economic policy is that of swdeshi one.. made in india and nationalstic.
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From what I have studied, it seems more a vote AGAINST BJP than FOR Congress!

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U still dont get it.. if you have to rule country u need majority of people voting you.. with mandir issue u are not going that numbers, thats the reason they dumped the issue. You think people in BJP are that dumb to give away an agenda that is a sure shot.

Let us talk numbers

15% of population are Muslims.
25% of then are dalits
35% of them are backwards

So, if BJP dumps Muslims are Dalits, Backwards are consolidated by Yadav and Laloo, they are just left with 25% of the population that could support mandir issue, how many of such people do go and vote.

If BJP wants win, they have to have policy that is all inculsive. They should not sit when Gujrat is burning are 1000's are killed, they should not take revenge in media for exposing corruption.

I dont agree that economic policy was that BJP, i still its of Manmohan singh. BJP/sangh parivars economic policy is that of swdeshi one.. made in india and nationalstic.
I agree to some extent, but as I have said that BJP tried to win over new voters which was very difficult. Mandir or no Mandir, I dont think a Muslim can trust BJP so quickly. It is totally understandable. Also, Dalits are always going to vote for Mulayam and Laloo because they identify with them. This is very true otherwise Laloo and Mulayam would never have won over and over again.

Yes BJP should have acted during Gujrat.

I just said that each party used the same old tactics, so why not BJP?

And your figures that only 25% are Hindu voters is wrong. Hindus are not 100% but they are neither as less as 25%.
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From what I have studied, it seems more a vote AGAINST BJP than FOR Congress!

Phir bhi dil dkhi hai at the next foreign invasion of India!
Arey bhai kidhar they...

Anyway.. bhai.. as I said in my analysis.. its good that Mandir was not an issue, but I have pointed out that every party seemed to have used their own old tricks, except BJP.

Anyway.. lets see what Sonia-ji Rigatoni does next!
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From what i gather is the BJP came into power with the saffron flag & then somewhere in the between that flag fell from their hands. Gujrat was a very antibjp & muslims naturally voted the bjp out. Aceept it or not "the muslims have the power to decide the fate of india" I feel thats why they(bjp) lost.
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time to change slogan to vande-mata-rome ..now india is truly secular....christian PM, muslim president and hindu voters
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No need to do 2 page analysis. 2 South states fuked BJP big way. Its as simple as that.

AP - loss of ~30 seats
TN - loss of ~30 seats
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Total - loss of ~60 seats.

The picture of UP was expected because BJP had lost traditional votes because of 2 issues:
1> Hard liners vote because they gave up Mandir issue
2> Upper case vote because they tied up with Mayawati 2 times and Amar Singh (a thakur) was smart enough to grab those votes along with yadav votes.

Do the total of these 3 states (80 seats), BJP would have been in power.

If you want to do analysis, please do it on "WHY LOCAL ISSUES OVER_RIDE NATIONAL ISSUES"
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Lightbulb Why BJP Lost - My Analysis

This is an excellent analysis written by charcha bhai(after so much of non sense over Iraq).

Yes I too feel that Vajpayee was too sophisticated for the fcukin uneducated selfish caste centric Indian ass hole who loves to be called a voter of the worlds biggest sham democracy.

Indians by nature have a slave mentality Indians the world over are known as the most selfish people. They would even sell their mothers for their selfish interest. This probably is the reason that ALL the worlds invaders from Alexander to the British ruled over the Indians.

Indians DO NOT have any self pride. In the villages if a white man throws a few hundred rupee notes the uneducated non productive and selfish villagers would even lick his feet clean on a daily basis. Indians especially in the villages think thru their penis as a result there is population explosion.

The Indian voters are divided into three segments

1) The village dwelling ass hole

These are voters who are extremely non productive, the only thing their produce are children. They have a feeling that govts should give them free power free water(whether it rains or not)
and free fertiliser. They also feel that the govt is ment to give them free houses free medical aid and free food. Education is not high on their aganda. They dont care a fcuk if there is Vajpayee Musharraf or George Bush who rules India. What they look for is someone who uses the FREE word more often.

2) The city dwelling middle class ass wipes

These are people who are indifferent to anything to do with politics. Their favourite punch line is Sab saale chor hain hum kyo vote de. Not just that they are racist. I know many chewtiyas who do not go to the polling booths and stand in queues because there would be poor stinking people also standing with them. Aur fir agar election ke naam pe chutti milti hai toh kyo waste kare line mein khade hoke.

3) The caste centric voter

He is the one who dreams of a country who would have people only from his caste ruling. They really do not care one flying fcuk about what happens to the country if Laloo rules or if Mayawati rules. For him it is important to see a person from his caste rule and that's it.

Unfortunately good sophisticated politics does not attract any of these voters. So then I really do not understand why does Vajpayee pursue these policies. India is too uncouth to understand the importance of good roads and interlinking of rivers and good economy!

Quite frankly if the Americans want to be saddistic to other humans they should spare the Iraqi's. India could outsource some village ass holes to the Abu Gharib prison. These guys would do whatever they want for a few hundred rupees!

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