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Old September 19th, 2000, 02:41 PM
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Read an interesting defnese related article. Padhu, I invite your comments on this area of your expertise.
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India successfully test-fired its most sophisticated surface-to-air missile Tuesday from a remote range off the country's eastern coast, military officials said.
The Akash missile was fired over the ocean from India's testing range at Chandipur, a coastal town in Orissa state, according to the United News of India, which quoted Indian officials.

The missile targeted an unmanned flying vehicle, said officials on condition of anonymity.

The Akash, meaning "Sky" in Hindi, is one of five missiles under development by India's Defense Research and Development Organization. The missile has a range of 25 kilometers and a capacity to strike several targets.

The missile can carry a payload of 50 kilograms, track 64 targets and engage four simultaneously using its Rajendra multifunction radar, according to the news agency.

India's missile arsenal includes Trishul, a surface-to-air missile that targets aircraft and counters sea-skimming missiles; the intermediate-range Agni, which can reach 2,480 kilometers; the short-range ballistic missile Prithvi with a range of 150 kilometers; and the anti-tank Nag missile.

India conducted five nuclear tests in 1998 and plans to perfect a missile capable of delivering nuclear weapons.

Tuesday's exercise at Chandipur, 1,200 kilometers southeast of New Delhi, represented the ninth in a series of tests.
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Akash and Trishul are perhaps the best missiles that India has currently. The RAMJET engines used for the akash missile is revolutionary. According to my sources just a few countries in the world have got such a powerful propulsion engine for a SAM.

Another good thing about Akash is (something which our DRDO is not testing currently) is that Akash can be retrofitted with different kinds of warheads. One of them is a proximity warhead. A proximity warhead is very good in the time of an aerial attak is that even if the missile does not get a head on strike with the incoming threat, it still does enough damage by exploding in the proximity of the threat. Thus creating damage if not total destruction.

The radar rajendra is based on the Russian Pechora Radar System, which is one of the best in the world. Even though under test scenarios they sa it can track 64 simultaneous threats, nobody in the world has very had a combat scenario to test these claims. Not even the US using patriot could test their systems during the gulf war. And anyways contrary to the bullshit flying around, The Patriot is a bullshit missile defence system (It had a ratio of just 3% accurate hits during the gulf war).


The only drawback of akash and trishul are their range (something india needs to work for all their missils systems). We somewhat lack that feature very much. Such a short range is not good for a SAM for one then does not have time for a second stike on the threat. The army wants the range for akash to be increased to 70 kms. DRDO says that they are working on it and other versions of these SAMs will have that feature.


The DRDO still has three more tests for Akash before the ministry can give a go ahead for serial production. So when we will see that actual version is still not clear. thanx

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seems like DRDO has shelved akash SAM program
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seems like DRDO has shelved akash SAM program
not really! as usual our armed forces demand that everything they get should be top of the line! every defense product developed must meet the top stuff that exists in the market! bullshit! its just another way to keep us relied on that blood-sucking leech called russia! f*cking aholes in procurement depts. dont care about indigenisation! these aholes must be tried for treason!

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IAF wants DRDL to refine Akash
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BANGALORE: Three months ago an order from the Air Force for a substantial number of the Akash medium range, surface-to-air missile (SAM) system seemed just a few bureaucratic signatures away.

However, with the Air Force communicating to the Defence Ministry that the missile does not, in its present version, meet some critical operating requirements, the acquisition process could be longer than expected.
The all-weather Akash, developed by the Defence Research and Development Laboratory (DRDL) is part of the Integrated Guided Missile Development Programme. In the same class as the U.S.’ Patriot, Israel’s Barak and the U.K.’s SAM, the 5.78 metre long, 700 kg Akash can destroy targets up to 25 km away.

A senior official in the Ministry told The Hindu that the Air Force had asked that certain technical improvements be incorporated in the Akash before the missile system is ordered in substantial numbers. According to the Air Force, as compared to the Akash, contemporary surface-to-air missiles were smaller, lighter, had a longer range and were more manoeuvrable. The Akash system also requires more personnel to man it.

Further, the Air Force is particularly apprehensive about the missile’s capability to intercept low level targets, viz below 500 metres. Though the Air Force declared the Akash’s 10-day user trials last December 2007 as successful, they are asking that the DRDL refine the missile and come up with something that is technologically more contemporary.

Aware of the Air Force’s stand, Chief Controller of the Defence Research and Development Organisation Prahlada, said talks were on between the Air Force and the DRDO and that an order of two squadrons would initially be placed.

“The Air Force is saying that low altitude intercepts were not demonstrated. But how can we demonstrate low altitude intercepts over the sea. We will demonstrate this over the land. But first let them place an order,” he said.

http://www.hindu.com/2008/06/20/stor...2061651400.htm


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I read somewhere that a good SAM shud have 50-70kms range...this onez only 25kms and i guess if IAF says "contemporary surface-to-air missiles were smaller, lighter, had a longer range and were more manoeuvrable.The Akash system also requires more personnel to man it"...i guess it makes sense...whats wrong with it??

and what is this dadagiri by DRDO "But how can we demonstrate low altitude intercepts over the sea. We will demonstrate this over the land. But first let them place an order"

how can you place order without carrying out required tests?? huhh
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I read somewhere that a good SAM shud have 50-70kms range...this onez only 25kms and i guess if IAF says "contemporary surface-to-air missiles were smaller, lighter, had a longer range and were more manoeuvrable.The Akash system also requires more personnel to man it"...i guess it makes sense...whats wrong with it??

and what is this dadagiri by DRDO "But how can we demonstrate low altitude intercepts over the sea. We will demonstrate this over the land. But first let them place an order"

how can you place order without carrying out required tests?? huhh
yeah right! everything they want should be perfect as though they are perfect and are a part of a perfect nation!

the point DRDO is making is induct these missiles/tanks in limited numbers. start giving feedback and at the same time also work out your logistics and spare supplies. DRDO will keep working on improvement with Airforce or Army personnel as a part of the R&D effort. Thats how Eurofighter and Gripen were developed. They werent built in a day. They were inducted in limited numbers, feedback received and further developments were made. Besides, doing this limited induction will give the armed forces to train their personnel on these new products and as well allow time for development of stratergies and tactics using them.

besides, all those purchases made by armed forces from phoren are not so good either. T-90 is good example of this. Its a good tank but had lots of problems and it was DRDO that REPAIRED and RECTIFIED the problems in T-90!! where the f*ck were the Army officials then? What the f*ck would they have done if DRDO didnt do the needful? go back to Russia and beg for assistance which I am sure will come for a good price (INS Vikramaditya/Admiral Goshkov is fine example of what happens when you make yourself dependent on phoren goods!).

Besides, if you believe so much in Army's or for that matter any of our Armed forces procurement policies, why did the Bell Helicopter fiasco happen? They used a civialian version for testing and were buying a military version without proper testing and inspection! This deal was nearly through but thanks to some whistleblowers it came to light and was cancelled!

I also beg you to read up on how Indian Navy has successfully cooperated with DRDO and got many of its requirements developed. The recent success was a Marine Gas Turbine Engine which was a spin-off of Kaveri Engine! How come the navy is satisfied with DRDO products while the other two services arent? Thats because the navy has assigned in its personnel on all products being developed for them by DRDO right from design stage. The other services, esp. Army is worst in its behaviour with DRDO. I am not saying DRDO is great and there are no problems with it. The point is ours is not a perfect nation nor do we have a perfect system. The Army has to learn to live with it! They cant keep dissing the only people who can make weapons for them and keep buying phoren stuff! This reliance on foreign goods is going bite them in the ass sooner or later and will cost India dearly!
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