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Old October 13th, 2006, 10:55 AM
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Unhappy Barak Missile Mess!

Tottering Trishul, Kargil forced Barak clearance

Josy Joseph
Friday, October 13, 2006 01:19 IST

NEW DELHI: The CBI’s claim of impropriety in the purchase of the Barak anti-missile system in 2000 derived credence from the fact that the Israeli technology was acquired despite work being underway to develop the indigenous equivalent Trishul.

But it now emerges that the Trishul project stumbled through several missteps before being scrapped.
Beginning 1994, the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), the agency responsible for developing Trishul, made several promises of delivery to the Indian Navy.

But by 2003, the DRDO admitted failure and the massive facility established in Kochi exclusively for the Trishul trials had to be closed down.
In the intervening eight years, the DRDO had agreed to the procurement of the Barak system and then objected to it. By the time the Kargil war broke in 1999, the navy was in panic because its ships were easy targets for Pakistani missiles. At that stage, the DRDO pushed through a joint agreement with Israel to develop the Barak II system.

Those involved in the procurement of Barak systems reveal talk of intricate manoeuvres that have marked the transactions.
Curiously, however, the Barak system found its first mention in the files when Vishnu Bhagwat, deputy chief of naval staff in 1995, gave it a glowing report. Bhagwat, who was dismissed by George Fernandes in 1998 as the navy chief, has been vocally criticising the Barak purchase now.
The Trishul project, however, predates many of the players associated with the current controversy. The navy began working with the DRDO to set up the Trishul Induction Trials Team as early as 1988.

In 1996, President Abdul Kalam, who was the DRDO chief then, promised the naval top brass that the system would be ready in a year.
Between 1995 and 1996, Kalam agreed to the purchase of a single Barak system, but the acquisition was impeded by a bureaucratic process. By mid-1998, the navy was riven by a cold war between Fernandes and Admiral Bhagwat. But the Kargil conflict forced the government to expedite the procurement.

Sources point out that the first-ever delegation from India that went to Israel to witness the Barak system in action in the 1990s was led by a scientist from the DRDO who was the head of Trishul development.
The Israeli system had shot down a missile flying just 5m above water, and a team from the Singapore navy, which was also witnessing the firing, soon acquired Barak. Around the same time, the competing Russian system, Kashtan, failed to hit a missile flying some 300m above the sea in the presence of Indian witnesses.

The DRDO, in the meanwhile, continued to test Trishul missiles in Kochi, without any integration or success.

Finally by 2002, the DRDO admitted a serious design flaw in the system and the navy shut down the trial centre in Kochi.
At the end of 2004, when naval commanders met in Delhi and discussed the joint project to build Barak II with a longer range, two vice-admirals objected, highlighting the Barak failures during two earlier tests in Indian waters. More than one source in the navy told DNA that the “failures” during Barak firing were rectified and re-trials were on target.


Sources point out that around the time, a French system, Aster, was also making intensive efforts to enter the high-end market. Despite such efforts, the DRDO, which had earlier objected to Barak, went ahead and signed a deal with the Israelis to develop Barak II at an estimated cost of $300 million.

http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1058269

Its high time DRDO sticks to its R&D and stops interfering in weapons procurement! The f*cking red tapers are sabotaging the operational readiness of our defense forces. Kargil should have been a huge lesson on how lax IA was in its readiness and supply/inventory management! Now, again the DRDO babus are screwing the entire process! Trishul? my arse, they closed down even the trial centers!
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Old October 13th, 2006, 11:16 AM
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Barak Missile Controversy: Is the CBI crossing the line?



Dated 11/10/2006

The Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) recently came out with revelations that there were irregularities with the Barak Missile Deal with Israel back in 2000.

While the CBI has the right to investigate corruption and kickbacks of defense deals, the comments made by the CBI to the media have been very critical of the deal itself.

The CBI press note said: Opinion of the DRDO was over-ruled by the then Defence Minister at the behest of the middleman/agent. The then Chief of the Naval Staff (CNS) also colluded with the other accused and put up a note directly to the Defence Minister to import six Barak AMD systems, misrepresenting facts and citing a DRDO concurrence given three years earlier when the indigenous Trishul system was in its initial stages of development and when in fact the CNS had discussed this matter that very day with the then DRDO chief, who had opposed the proposal.

Well the opinion of the DRDO may well have been 'over ruled' by the Defence Ministry, but since when did the DRDO have a say in Defence Deals? DRDO is a research and manufacturing organization; it is not the end all authority to finalize Indian Defence deals.

The Defence Ministry has all the right to take a decision different from what the DRDO wishes.

Shouldn't the DRDO develop platforms that are worthy of the armed forces, rather than complain when the Armed Forces seek to purchase potent systems. DRDO is for the Armed Forces, not viceversa, and the sooner the 'babus' at DRDO realize this and become a competent entity the better for us all.

The CBI press note added further: "The then Defence Minister not only approved the proposal for import of Barak AMD systems, but also tried to get the proposal approved by the Cabinet Committee on Security of the then caretaker Government despite objections by the then Defence Secretary"

That is how every single defence deal is processed. People might have differing opinions but what was described above was simply official procedure. Why is the CBI press note trying to imply the ex-Minister did anything wrong? If the CBI has information about the kickbacks and middle men, well come out with them, don't beat the drum all around the media.

And now let us put the CBI itself under the scanner. Hasn't it been forever used by politicians to play their dirty games? Anybody who knows anything about the Indian Defence sector will know how important and potent the Barak missiles have been.

Then why is the Home Minister Mr. Shivraj Patil directing the CBI to go after the ex Defence Minister Mr. George Fernandes. Is the Home Minister trying to extend his time as Minister by pleasing the Congress Chief Mrs. Sonia Gandhi by playing petty politics and trying to frame her long time rival George Fernandes?

When will our 'babus' and 'netas' stop dragging Defence and National Security into this. Such behavior is not only a disgrace but is also close to compromising National Security.

http://www.india-defence.com/reports/2598


I dont think CBI has crossed the line. They have a right to investigate any scams/corruption. But DRDO has certainly crossed the line in thinking that it has a say in weapons procurement! As the asticle says, DRDO should stick to its R&D and shut the f*ck up when it comes to weapons procurement and defense deals.
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Re: Barak Missile Mess!

Looks like CBI sleuths decide their pursuit of a case based on discussions contained in this website

It was yours truly, Sir Dhurlock Holmes, who pointed out that myth of Barak system was shattered during the brief Israeli misadventure into Lebanon in 2006.
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I am a layman. All I know is ISRO can make rockets fly and put satellites in orbit. DRDO can make rockets just go dud. DRDO cannot make even a handgun.

Why do we rely on DRDO?
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DRDO can make rockets just go dud. DRDO cannot make even a handgun.

Why do we rely on DRDO?
To ensure that there arent too many rockets flying around everywhere...

DRDO is better known as Defunct Rockets' Desi Orphanage...

Thats why their rockets need the Phagwara treatment...tilt to the right and kickstart right into the capital of Mars.....

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I wanted to write "Shri Dhurlock Holmes" but these days I am really dyslexic and so I end up writing "Sir Dhurlock Holmes"...now you know why I am infrequent on ec
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