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The Rise Of Islam: Jew Perspective!



"The intrinsic values of the belief in one God, the creator of the world, the God of justice and mercy, before whom everyone high and low bears personal responsibility, came to Muhammad ― as he never ceased to emphasize ― from Israel.".............

Mohammed believed the ancient tradition that the Arabs were the other children of Abraham ― through the line of his son Ishmael by the Egyptian maidservant Hagar ― and that they had forgotten the teachings of monotheism they had inherited ages ago. He saw his mission as bringing them back. Paul Johnson, in his History of the Jews (p. 167), explains:.............

Mohammed's anger toward the Jews was not just rhetoric. The period from 622 C.E. until Mohammed's death in 632 C.E. was punctuated by periods of intense anti-Jewish violence as he systematically expelled, plundered and even slaughtered the Jewish tribes of Nadir, Khaybar and Banu Qurayza who lived in and around Mecca. Mohammed's victories of the Jews are discussed in great length in Sura 59 of the Koran..................

Jihad!

At the time of Mohammed's death in 632, Arabia was united and poised for jihad, the "holy war" or "holy struggle" to bring the world to Allah. Shortly, it moved with a fearsome power against the Byzantine and Persian empires.

What did that mean for the Jews?

Answers Rabbi Berel Wein in Echoes of Glory (p. 299):

Most Jewish historians (until the recent revisionist-historians) are convinced that the Byzantine Church would have attempted to eradicated Judaism totally if the Church itself had not been defeated and its plan for hegemony in Asia Minor and the Mediterranean basin thwarted by the rising tide of Islam. Thus the coming of Islam may be seen as a providential occurrence that allowed the Jews to slip between the cracks Islam made in Byzantine Church persecution. However, as is the case in all historic 'gifts' in Jewish history, the rise of Islam would prove to be only a mixed blessing for Israel.

Jews were classified as ahl al-dhimma, "protected people," and were allowed to live in Islamic countries without being forced to convert. But a whole code of law applied to them, most of it designed to set them apart, humiliate and emphasize their inferior status.

For example, a Jew could never have his head higher than a Muslim. So if a Jew was walking along, and a Muslim passed by, the Jew had to step into the gutter in deference to the Muslim's superior status. A Jew could never testify against a Muslim in court (which basically meant there was no justice for Jews). A Jew could not have a house of worship that was higher than a mosque, which is why (for example) the Four Sephardic Synagogues in the Old City of Jerusalem are subterranean.

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jews are master race when it comes to propaganda

one has to accept prohphethood of moses and jesus to be accepted as muslim, christians and jews are called Kitabiya, people of book

things are not as black and white as jews are trying to propagate

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jews are master race when it comes to propaganda

one has to accept prohphethood of moses and jesus to be accepted as muslim, christians and jews are called Kitabiya, people of book

things are not as black and white as jews are trying to propagate

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jeet bhai,
abrahamanic religions r abundant in conflicts [mutually as well as within] but i would like to know why the hate for jews is distinctly more compared to others. is it related to their habits, prophet, faith, food, what..
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abrahamanic religions r abundant in conflicts [mutually as well as within] but i would like to know why the hate for jews is distinctly more compared to others. is it related to their habits, prophet, faith, food, what..
it is because of Zionism ie Israel, muslims didnt threw them out of their land, they were displaced for 1000 years and jews are most multi ethnic society even comprising of jews of Indian origin. they came back and reclaimed their land by throwing Palenstinian arabs out of their land, hatred is more political than religious

It is bad time for Islam just like our PM, it is not that culprit as it is shown

and all aayats and surah etc have a context in which certain verses are written, mullah's quote them for their own purpose to retain hegemony over the population

religion is tool used by both side to justify their way of oppression or jihad etc


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it is because of Zionism ie Israel, muslims didnt threw them out of their land, they were displaced for 1000 years and jews are most multi ethnic society even comprising of jews of Indian origin. they came back and reclaimed their land by throwing Palenstinian arabs out of their land, hatred is more political than religious

It is bad time for Islam just like our PM, it is not that culprit as it is shown

and all aayats and surah etc have a context in which certain verses are written, mullah's quote them for their own purpose to retain hegemony over the population

religion is tool used by both side to justify their way of oppression or jihad etc


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it may be a bad time for islam but our PM hardly had any good time [except when he was FM]
two humans, communities, countries can fight for a piece of land. but not two faiths [its important to note that hindus claiming ayodhya is not a fight by hinduism. there is a difference between hindu and hinduism. its nowhere mentioned, directly or indirectly, in hindu literature that such and such piece of land should be fought for and taken ownership of]
r u sez that claim for land and clarion call for a religious war to takeover the same is not mentioned in religion but its only a political call..
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r u sez that claim for land and clarion call for a religious war to takeover the same is not mentioned in religion but its only a political call..
For jews, Israel is a special land that their god created and gifted them when Moses led them away from the Egyptian rulers.

For muslims, the entire earth is land created for them by their god and their task is to bring all of it into the folds of their god/religion.
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For muslims, the entire earth is land created for them by their god and their task is to bring all of it into the folds of their god/religion.
maybe. but then their dislike for jews and others should be same level. but its distinctly different.
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maybe. but then their dislike for jews and others should be same level. but its distinctly different.
It is distinctly different. Why because they are considered the people of the book. Yes, the same book that they are following but the latest think that the originals were corrupted. Same book, three people. Each people think the earlier people were bad. Why because the book was corrupted and they learnt all the wrong things. But the new profit got it all corrected and so, they are right.

Don't ask me about what they think about the people not of the book... and that is where the distinctness comes from
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It is distinctly different. Why because they are considered the people of the book. Yes, the same book that they are following but the latest think that the originals were corrupted. Same book, three people. Each people think the earlier people were bad. Why because the book was corrupted and they learnt all the wrong things. But the new profit got it all corrected and so, they are right.

Don't ask me about what they think about the people not of the book... and that is where the distinctness comes from
confusion na create kar.
a,b,c r ppl of book. d,e r not ppl of book. c dislikes all of them a, b, d, e.
but c's dislike for a is at a distinctively spiked higher level. uska reason hai a certain piece of land. i tell ya, a,b,c followers need to check if they arent taken for a ride. they shd allow their own minds to decide.
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a,b,c r ppl of book. d,e r not ppl of book. c dislikes all of them a, b, d, e.
but c's dislike for a is at a distinctively spiked higher level. uska reason hai a certain piece of land. i tell ya, a,b,c followers need to check if they arent taken for a ride. they shd allow their own minds to decide.
c's dislike for a is two-fold. Not just one-fold. c has not just dislike for d and e but c thinks d and e should not even breath the same air. Don't know whether you can call it dislike.

c's dislike for a is three-fold, in fact. But 2 of the folds could be for the same reason. c's profit thought he was always harassed by a and that's why he wiped out as much of a as possible. On top of that, a was put down in the eternal book as bad people. That's where 2 of the folds came from, can be one and the same reason. The 3rd fold is the certain piece of land. Which does not at all mean that c's hatred for d and e is any the less. You see, d and e should not even breath, period.
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c's dislike for a is two-fold. Not just one-fold. c has not just dislike for d and e but c thinks d and e should not even breath the same air. Don't know whether you can call it dislike.

c's dislike for a is three-fold, in fact. But 2 of the folds could be for the same reason. c's profit thought he was always harassed by a and that's why he wiped out as much of a as possible. On top of that, a was put down in the eternal book as bad people. That's where 2 of the folds came from, can be one and the same reason. The 3rd fold is the certain piece of land. Which does not at all mean that c's hatred for d and e is any the less. You see, d and e should not even breath, period.
ok. i am glad to know that c dislikes d,e more than a. that is at least logical.

but i have heard c referring a as 'pigs' and 'will burn in hell' [an example quote from c : 'god willing, even the stone behind which a is hiding, will speak up and tell c that come, a is hiding behind me. come and slit a's throat']

d,e r showered with milder references - idolaters, polytheists etc.

PS:c refers b as 'gone astray' or 'misguided'. which again is a milder reference.
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ok. i am glad to know that c dislikes d,e more than a. that is at least logical.

but i have heard c referring a as 'pigs' and 'will burn in hell' [an example quote from c : 'god willing, even the stone behind which a is hiding, will speak up and tell c that come, a is hiding behind me. come and slit a's throat']

d,e r showered with milder references - idolaters, polytheists etc.

PS:c refers b as 'gone astray' or 'misguided'. which again is a milder reference.
You missed out on a subtle difference. If there is a hiding behind a stone, c will call out and ask other cs to come and slay a. If d or e is hiding behind a stone, c will not call out. S/he will do the job himself/herself. Why because that's how trivial they consider the life of d and e is. You don't mention the crushing of an ant in an eternal book
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B managed to become powerful, maybe at a's expense, and, inspite of all that talk of 'forgiveness, mercy,"vengeance is mine, said the lord"', has developed a strong streak of vindictiveness (all in the name of "justice")--------which even c, for all his bravado, finds rather hot to handle.
---So, c claims b has 'strayed'!
D,e are plain morons------they take the ahinsa crap too seriouisly!
Now, they are soo weak, what they think and do hardly matters!
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it may be a bad time for islam but our PM hardly had any good time [except when he was FM]
two humans, communities, countries can fight for a piece of land. but not two faiths [its important to note that hindus claiming ayodhya is not a fight by hinduism. there is a difference between hindu and hinduism. its nowhere mentioned, directly or indirectly, in hindu literature that such and such piece of land should be fought for and taken ownership of]
r u sez that claim for land and clarion call for a religious war to takeover the same is not mentioned in religion but its only a political call..
after world war 2 concluded, jews migrated in the form of migration called aliyahs, and because they were dispersed all over world, they came and reclaimed it after more than thousand years, chiristians hated jew because jews crucified jesus christ and jews had hard times in christian society too, Islam rightfully gave them right to live while christians were even killing them in numbers, the hatred intially was against zionism and because of palestinian plight. Islam believes in final comeback of Hazrat Isa like christians do, while christians call jesus, son of god, Muslims call him prophet of god.


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It is distinctly different. Why because they are considered the people of the book. Yes, the same book that they are following but the latest think that the originals were corrupted. Same book, three people. Each people think the earlier people were bad. Why because the book was corrupted and they learnt all the wrong things. But the new profit got it all corrected and so, they are right.

Don't ask me about what they think about the people not of the book... and that is where the distinctness comes from
christianity called nature worshipping religion Pagans, hence Islam calls us same kaffir.


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