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Old May 24th, 2013, 11:17 AM
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Re: Do you believe in "all accounts gets settled here in this life time?"

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so you say that everything is random and nothing is predetermined?
Well nobody can really say anything for sure but it appears to be probabilistic...!! I mean I am talking about the life after death concept...!! Ofcourse, Napolean has pointed out the role of Karma in day to day affairs which to an extent is believable...!!
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Old May 24th, 2013, 11:19 AM
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Karma is very realistic - it does not even have to come from any book.
You will get what you are working for in most cases.
And I am not talking about degeneration and creation of body.
I personally think there is a very fine line between karma and randomness. For example, lets say you lose your dog. Is it your bad karma that its lost or it was by chance that you forgot to close the door behind you before leaving home?
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Old May 24th, 2013, 11:24 AM
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There's is nothing like karma... Its pure chance, I feel... You (or I) die... Get degenerated to basic elements... And these same basic elements will somehow come together to become a part of new body...!! How they become a part of a new body is purely probabilistic...!!
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Well nobody can really say anything for sure but it appears to be probabilistic...!! I mean I am talking about the life after death concept...!! Ofcourse, Napolean has pointed out the role of Karma in day to day affairs which to an extent is believable...!!
I am still confused. Do you or do you not believe in the concept of karma?
What I am interested in knowing is the concept of karma passed on to next life. How does that work?
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Old May 24th, 2013, 11:27 AM
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Re: Do you believe in "all accounts gets settled here in this life time?"

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I personally think there is a very fine line between karma and randomness. For example, lets say you lose your dog. Is it your bad karma that its lost or it was by chance that you forgot to close the door behind you before leaving home?
Neither, it was because of the following combinations. Your dog is male, caught whiff of bitch in heat, and when he was done shagging, found himself in unfamiliar territory, did not know how to read a map, and could not bring himself to ask directions.
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Re: Do you believe in "all accounts gets settled here in this life time?"

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I am still confused. Do you or do you not believe in the concept of karma?
What I am interested in knowing is the concept of karma passed on to next life. How does that work?
That's what I said.. There is nothing like karma that gets carried forward to the next life... That part appears to be purely random... A matter of chance...

But in day to day events, you might see some visible tangible evidences of your actions...!! Like you said about the dog getting lost because of a wrong action...!!
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Old May 24th, 2013, 11:28 AM
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Neither, it was because of the following combinations. Your dog is male, caught whiff of bitch in heat, and when he was done shagging, found himself in unfamiliar territory, did not know how to read a map, and could not bring himself to ask directions.
So it was dog's karma which was bad... ...
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Old May 24th, 2013, 11:31 AM
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I am still confused. Do you or do you not believe in the concept of karma?
What I am interested in knowing is the concept of karma passed on to next life. How does that work?
Nobody knows how that works. This is why Krishna told Arjuna, work hard but don't expect the reward/fruit of your actions. In short, you can build up a huge balance of your virtues (punya), only the wily Vishnu decides how much of it you can use or whether you can use it at all.

If you knew it, you can rest assured that the omnipotent villain Vishnu will insure that you don't live to use it to your advantage or to post it in public domain
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Old May 24th, 2013, 11:35 AM
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Neither, it was because of the following combinations. Your dog is male, caught whiff of bitch in heat, and when he was done shagging, found himself in unfamiliar territory, did not know how to read a map, and could not bring himself to ask directions.
very funny....

now come on, I know you have an opinion about it, the serious one i mean, pray tell!
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That's what I said.. There is nothing like karma that gets carried forward to the next life... That part appears to be purely random... A matter of chance...

But in day to day events, you might see some visible tangible evidences of your actions...!! Like you said about the dog getting lost because of a wrong action...!!
Yes, I also dont think it gets carried on to the next life. I was reading a very interesting book recently (Divine Comedy) and discovered that the medival times think that everything we do will ensure that we go to next birth. There is no such thing called salvation until we reach a point of perfection. The book also deducts that we get punished after we die but we start our next life on clean slate. But of course, all this is if we believe in the concept of after life and reincarnation.

If we inherit our previous births karma, I think its unfair in the sense that we have to pay for our previous births karmas + this births deeds. Its a never ending cycle and I really dont think God would have wanted it that way ( i.e if you believe in the concept of God).
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Old May 24th, 2013, 11:44 AM
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Re: Do you believe in "all accounts gets settled here in this life time?"

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very funny....

now come on, I know you have an opinion about it, the serious one i mean, pray tell!

Yes, I also dont think it gets carried on to the next life. I was reading a very interesting book recently (Divine Comedy) and discovered that the medival times think that everything we do will ensure that we go to next birth. There is no such thing called salvation until we reach a point of perfection. The book also deducts that we get punished after we die but we start our next life on clean slate. But of course, all this is if we believe in the concept of after life and reincarnation.

If we inherit our previous births karma, I think its unfair in the sense that we have to pay for our previous births karmas + this births deeds. Its a never ending cycle and I really dont think God would have wanted it that way ( i.e if you believe in the concept of God).
I think the concept of a good or bad karma itself is pretty vague... For you eating non-veg may be fine, for instance... For me, its not because I feel an animal is subjected to immense pain while dying for your taste buds... And again, I may be wrong too... So the concept of Karma as being good or bad, in a moral sense, is patently absurd... Karma can be Right or Wrong but not Good or Bad...!!
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Old May 24th, 2013, 11:46 AM
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... Karma can be Right or Wrong but not Good or Bad...!!
whats the difference anyway?
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Old May 24th, 2013, 11:48 AM
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whats the difference anyway?
Right or Wrong actions dont have moral connotations... Good and Bad does smack of morality...!! You leaving the door ajar was a wrong action not a bad one, which led to your dog running away...!! And mostly when we talk of the burden of Karma following you in your next birth, it's in moral sense...

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Nobody knows how that works. This is why Krishna told Arjuna, work hard but don't expect the reward/fruit of your actions. In short, you can build up a huge balance of your virtues (punya), only the wily Vishnu decides how much of it you can use or whether you can use it at all.

If you knew it, you can rest assured that the omnipotent villain Vishnu will insure that you don't live to use it to your advantage or to post it in public domain
It never occurred to me that good karma also gets passed on to next birth. If its Vishnu who decides what my fate is, I wonder why EVERYONE is not trying harder to be in his good books.
I really dont think anything is getting passed on. Just like a butterfly effect, everything starts and ends with us but we get influenced by other peoples karma too along with ours. In this very lifetime.
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Two kids took birth at different places, different family, different geographic and economic setups.

One is with silver spoon, rich family , full of civilised people around, gets groomed well and be a good sensible citizen.

Another is in baggers' family who do not know if they would get proper meal that day or not. They sometimes rob and even murder people for money. That kid get miserable life, no education and no morality.

Now whose fault is this ? Did both kids get choice where to take birth ? Absolutely not. Otherwise they would have chosen a good quality life. It was not in their control where they have been put to take birth.

So who decide what kind of life we are going to have ?

Our Karmas.

Souls having accumulated good karmas get good life ahead and vice versa.

But it doesn't guarantee that the one who got good life will use that given life for good purpose. We could see spoiled brats misusing their parents' wealth for their illegal or immoral enjoyments. They start accumulating bad karmas and then again bad life ahead.

Everything in life is not predetermined. But major events are. We always have free will for our future course of action but we have been given particular circumstances which force us to undertake particular action out of available options. That 'circumstances' are due to our past karmas.
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Two kids took birth at different places, different family, different geographic and economic setups.

One is with silver spoon, rich family , full of civilised people around, gets groomed well and be a good sensible citizen.

Another is in baggers' family who do not know if they would get proper meal that day or not. They sometimes rob and even murder people for money. That kid get miserable life, no education and no morality.

Now whose fault is this ? Did both kids get choice where to take birth ? Absolutely not. Otherwise they would have chosen a good quality life. It was not in their control where they have been put to take birth.

So who decide what kind of life we are going to have ?

Our Karmas.

Souls having accumulated good karmas get good life ahead and vice versa.

But it doesn't guarantee that the one who got good life will use that given life for good purpose. We could see spoiled brats misusing their parents' wealth for their illegal or immoral enjoyments. They start accumulating bad karmas and then again bad life ahead.

Everything in life is not predetermined. But major events are. We always have free will for our future course of action but we have been given particular circumstances which force us to undertake particular action out of available options. That 'circumstances' are due to our past karmas.
When you toss a coin and head comes up, now whose fault is that...?? Chance...!! Do you eat non-veg...?? If yes, then in my eyes you are complicit in painful death of a hapless animal... That, according to me, is bad karma... But the majority world-view doesnt think so... For majority, this is just a normal case scenario... Hence, there's no absolute good or bad karma... Hence, their effects can have no bearing in the next birth...!!

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Some bastards get to live a peaceful and fullfilling life and those they tormented suffer till death.

Such bastard people are special and favorite ones of the Devil one might think. Whatever it is, there are some madarchoads I would want to suffer all the shit they have caused me, but the so called 'Man in the Sky' is doing nothing about it.
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