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Old November 22nd, 2013, 10:26 AM
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Mr. Cheat.. Mr. Krishna.. Mahabharata..

Lets take the well known epic Mahabharata. It is called the "dharma yudha". I kind of not sure if that is an apt tag for it. Reasons.

Krishna promised to Bheesma Pitamaha that he WOULD NOT take part in the war in "any way shape or form". Bheeshma knew if Krishna took part in the war, the result was a foregone conclusion.

Firstly, Dhritarastra was the ELDEST son of and therefore the legal successor to the Hastinapura throne. However the law had a subclause that anyone impaired could not be an effective king and therefore he would abdicate his throne to the younger one i.e Pandu aka Mr. Gandu. But the next successor would be the son of Dhritharasthra and not of Mr. Gandu. So far with me?

So by that logic, Dhuryodhana and NOT Yudhishtra would be the legally next king.

Second iffyness.. Pandu was really a Gandu.. he could not have children of his own.. i.e he was a hijdaa.. chakka.. so the five sons of Mr. Gandu were by that bit of data, Illegitimate.. err. six if we count Karna.

And if we count Karna, then Yudhishtra is second son and not the first (Karna!!) and so is NOT the legal heir to the kingdom.

Now in comes Mr. Cheat.. Krishna.

Here are the various ways he cheated.

1. THe kavach kundala episode. Karna had kavach and kundala by virtue of which, he would be invincible.. and anyone who breaks the kavacha kundala protection would die instantly.. So Mr. K, conspires with Indra and cheats Karna to give away those two things as a daan.

2. Karna is NOT killed while fighting. He Mr. Cheat, gets his charriot stuck and Karna gets down to dislodge it he is killed on fingering by Mr. Cheat.

3. When Jayadhrata was becoming a pain in the ass, Krishna launched his Sudarshana to hide the sun and thereby creating the illusion that it was dusk and as per law, no weapons should be fired thence.. but Krishna prods Arjuna to behead Jayadratha and in one stroke Jaydhrata and Vridhakshtra (his father) get killed (former beheaded and later head bursts into 100 pieces on seeing his sons head). Krishna removes the illusion JUST MOMENTS before he tells Arjuna to kill a surprised Jayadratha. To add insult to injury, Arjuna uses his archery skills to transport Jayadhratha's head to his dad's feet.

4. Bheeshma is killed by the suggestion of Krishna. Arjuna is asked to use Shikandi an enuch as a sheild. Bheesma refuses to retaliate to the challenge of a enuch and Arjuna makes hay by firing his arrows at Bheeshma and killing him eventually.

5. Jarashangha is defeated by Krishnas advice to Bheema who throws the dismembered body headlong so it does not reattach. (He should not be trading ideas as he promised not to get involved in the fight in any "way shape or form" but having done so multiple times we get used to it by now and actually admire his craftiness)

6. Guru Dhrona. He had a son called Ashvathaama and in kuru army there was an elephant called Ashvathaama. Seeing Dhrona fight tooth and nail, Krishna suggests killing the elephant and after that informs Dhrona that Ashvathaama was killed. Knowing that is not quite possible he wants to confirm, and Dhrona knows Yudhistra never lies and so asks him.. to which Yudhishtra replies "ASHVATAHAMA HATA kintu iti gaja" i.e ASHVATHAMA WAS KILLED audiablly and but it was the elephant inaudiably (at the suggestion of you guessed who).. Thinking his son was killed, Dhrona, in grief, lays down his weapon and Arjuna promptly beheads him.

7. Gandhari had blindfolded herself cos her dear dear darlling hubby could not see. Now she had the power to see but when she would open her eyes who ever she sets her eyes on the first time, could not be hurt physically. Once all her sons died, Dhuryodhana and bheema had the gadaa yudh left. Gandhari realizes that there would be no son left to bid her the final good bye.. so she suggests to Duryodhana to go take a bath and come to her stark naked. At that point if Gandhari sees him.. his body would become like steel and so could not get hurt.

Duryodhana agrees, takes a bath and while returning to his mother naked, krishna stops him and chides him for going in front of his mother naked, being an adult.. how could he not be ashamed he is not a baby anymore.. Duryodhana explains the situation to Krishna to which Krishna replies.."Your fight, gadhe, is a gadaa fight and rules prohibit hitting below the belt.. so!!???) Duryodhana thinks yaa that is right.. so ties a cloth around his waist and goes in front of his mom.. gandhari removes the blindfold and sees him.. but the portion below the waist are not steel now.. gandhari tells him YOU IDIOT.. duryodhan explains.. nope.. Me albert einstin.. I am clever.. Anyways damage is done.. in that fight, Bheema at insistance of Mr.Cheat repeatedly hits on Duryodhana on his thighs and thus wins.


Now given this data was that a DHARAMA YUDHA?

If you ask me.. my precious GAND.
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Re: Mr. Cheat.. Mr. Krishna.. Mahabharata..

Well the "whole Mabharata" was created by Krishna. So he being original script writer can write as he wants. He can change, edit, rewrite the whole script.
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Nope it was not.. it was NOT created by krishna it was by Vyasa who dictated it and ganesha who broke one of his tusks to use as a pen (those days reynolds fine tip gel pens were not in vogue) to write it.
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Nope it was not.. it was NOT created by krishna it was by Vyasa who dictated it and ganesha who broke one of his tusks to use as a pen (those days reynolds fine tip gel pens were not in vogue) to write it.
You said it right there.

Creating and dictating and writing are different different...noh...!
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Nope it was not.. it was NOT created by krishna it was by Vyasa who dictated it and ganesha who broke one of his tusks to use as a pen (those days reynolds fine tip gel pens were not in vogue) to write it.
Right .. and Santa Claus brought the milk and cookies for Ganesha, the tooth fairy paid him a million bucks for the broken off tooth and unicorns delivered the written works to all parts of the world.
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All correct except the unicorn.. it was DHL.

And look at more bizzare.. pandu had 5 sons.. all NOT his DNA..

Kunti used the boons given to her by Sage Durvasa to bear three sons—Yudhishtira (by Yama), Bhima (Vayu and therefore a half bro to a monkey hanuman), and Arjuna (Indra). Kunti also shared her boons with Madri (gandu's second wife), who bore Nakula and Sahadeva, twins from the physicians to the gods, the Ashwini Kumara (how I cannot explain the technology behind twins cannot support this.. you cannot get f'd by twins and give birth to twins.. the technology behind it is quite different) but then giving birth to 99 children and that of a blind man is also technically an iffy explantiaon so lets play along for that part.

So Kunti and Madri, Gandu's 2 wifes all went around scrweing in the neighborhood (where was I.. I got cheated yaar!!) and had all those 5.. so there goes claim for the throne anyways.. and to continue the practice of screwing around, draupadi got 5 for herself.. hmm.. talk about maintaining the family traition. bahut DNA confusia hai idhar par.
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All correct except the unicorn.. it was DHL.

And look at more bizzare.. pandu had 5 sons.. all NOT his DNA..

Kunti used the boons given to her by Sage Durvasa to bear three sons—Yudhishtira (by Yama), Bhima (Vayu and therefore a half bro to a monkey hanuman), and Arjuna (Indra). Kunti also shared her boons with Madri (gandu's second wife), who bore Nakula and Sahadeva, twins from the physicians to the gods, the Ashwini Kumara (how I cannot explain the technology behind twins cannot support this.. you cannot get f'd by twins and give birth to twins.. the technology behind it is quite different) but then giving birth to 99 children and that of a blind man is also technically an iffy explantiaon so lets play along for that part.

So Kunti and Madri, Gandu's 2 wifes all went around scrweing in the neighborhood (where was I.. I got cheated yaar!!) and had all those 5.. so there goes claim for the throne anyways.. and to continue the practice of screwing around, draupadi got 5 for herself.. hmm.. talk about maintaining the family traition. bahut DNA confusia hai idhar par.

Bhai mere .. yeh sab discuss ho chuka hai ...

http://www.echarcha.com/forum/showth...ighlight=kunti

Usi thread mein add kar le .. naya makaan kyon khada kar raha hai jab puraane makaan mein kamre khaali hain??
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Yaar india vs west indies ka test match 1948/49 mein bhi hua thaa..aur ab 2013 mein bhi.. ab nayaa series kayko dekhta hai.. video khared kar dekh lete hain naa

Seriously.. merge kar do threads ko if it is a dup lets revive it.. crown shown original ko ich milna chahiye.. besides.. Mai kaunsa crown pahan kar ghoomonga.. emperors new cloths lagenga.
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Yaar india vs west indies ka test match 1948/49 mein bhi hua thaa..aur ab 2013 mein bhi.. ab nayaa series kayko dekhta hai.. video khared kar dekh lete hain naa

Seriously.. merge kar do threads ko if it is a dup lets revive it.. crown shown original ko ich milna chahiye.. besides.. Mai kaunsa crown pahan kar ghoomonga.. emperors new cloths lagenga.
Yaar tabhi ka sab black and white shooting tha .. aisa lag raha hai ki sirf safed kapde bhaag rahe hain. Kaalon ki shakal to dikhti hi nahin thi
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lol haan.. vaise agar ho sakta to merge kar diyo.. apun mod nahi naa hai.. ab saala topic dimag me aayaa.. did not thunk of hitting search first..besides in my story, it was krishna.. draupadi dhoondta to nahi.. shaayad mahabharat dhoondta aur saala ladai ka running commentary milta.. totally off topic.. so socha nayaa ghar bhaa lete hain. But chalo koi nahi purane ghar me guftagu jaari rakhenge.. narci tits aur tats ki baat kar riyaa thaa aur saala phir clairphication diyaaich nai. Gandu saala vaisaich hai.. kahin par bhi bharatnatyam karenga aur phir chup jaayega.
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Re: Mr. Cheat.. Mr. Krishna.. Mahabharata..

I have a theory regarding WHY the Mahabharata war was fought and WHY the characters behaved the way they did. But you have to give me some latitude while I try to explain because it's such a broad topic.

What is Dharma? In my opinion, Dharma, as defined during the Mahabharata times, meant perpetuation of the caste system. When Krishna was fighting for Dharma, he was fighting to ensure that castes remain segregated. He despised co-mingling of castes.

The entire Bhagavad Gita is a treatise on the caste system and the 'duty' of each caste. Every person has to follow his KARMA - his proscribed duty. Since Arjun is a warrior, he must fight.

Nowadays, we associate Dharma with righteousness. The meaning of the word was changed by Buddha several centuries later. The Dharma that Krishna was advocating was the Caste System; besides several other tenets. Dharma is an organized religion. There are strict religious laws.

During the time of the war, Karna was ALWAYS considered a suta-putra. He was a member of the lower caste. History may have been re-written after the war and Karna was cast as the son of Kunti. But while Karna was alive, he was always treated as a suta-putra.

Krishna was not a cheat. He was an astute warrior and politician. Duryodhana's army was far superior than Yudhisthira. At the start of the war, it may have been unfathomable. It was only because of Krishna's foresight and political maneuvering that the Pandavas were able to see victory.
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You said it right there.

Creating and dictating and writing are different different...noh...!
You mean to say day if forsyth dictated day of the jackal to a steno, krisha would get credit for that novel?
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